umm what? as much as a pain as layouts can be to get things to do what you want, swing was still really well done and is incredibly flexible and versatile. I'd hardly call swing something form planet weird. And having worked with solaris/sunos some, it's really well done as well. Honestly, saying sun was from planet weird is just... weird to me :P

Do you understand why they added protection in the first place? It's the same with all those stupid macho arguments about football players wearing all that protection while rugby players don't and therefore are manly.

here's the spoiler. it's because people died. Football is a collision sport, that is different from rugby and hockey, even though they certainly have some high speed collisions, it is not as constant.

if you get shot, chances are you will live. 6 out of 7 people shot, live.

haha sure buddy. You take 20+ people dead I'll take the other odds any day.

and your reply would be just as wrong.

hahaha nice.

you stated that there are people who say, immediately following an attack like this, You then imply that it's mostly only people who are pro gun(using a stupid john wayne reference)

Your second implication is false.

yes. and it's a point that gets made over and over that people don't want kids to kill themselves playing with the a gun. It does not happen often enough to warrant any concern. As for actual homocide, it's true we liek to kill each other way to often. It's also true that number, even when counting suicides is less than people killed by cars. I hear a fuck ton more about gun control than car control. It's also true when you take away people with a criminal background that homocide number drops way down. So basically unless you're a criminal guns are an insignificant threat to your life. That morning commute though...

I'd like taht number too. But since you can't get an accurate number on how many lives, you can only estimate... in any case the various estimates range from millions to hundreds of thousands of injuris/deaths. Good lucky finding an unbiased source on that.

Regardless 121 people a year.. you have a better chance of being struck by lightning.

Once again, please tell me how to find the country with by far the highest gun ownership rate, by looking at homocides/inguries or gun related firearms or injuries. You cannot. Gun ownership != violence.

My reading comprehension is fine. You just simply do not have a valid point.

that's right and how many people's lives were saved by firearms? shitton more than 121. And 121 is less than 1 per million people, i'll take my chances with letting law abiding citizens own guns.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

Take the homocide column only and please tell me you can name the country with the highest rate of gun ownership. You absolutely cannot. And there are countries on there in the almighty peaceful europe that have more(close to) homicides than the US.

that's so insightful because all the comments i see talking about the politics of this are reserved to the pro gun group...

A lot better than 20+ dead i imagine.