Boycott Against Pentium III Expanded 86
Absolutely Nobody writes "The Intel boycott is still on, even though they've backed off enabling identifier IDs by default, and has now been expanded to include any computer manufacturer that ships the PIII with the IDs, enabled OR disabled. "
pentiums are bad (Score:1)
One thing... (Score:1)
That said, my next machine still won't be an x86 box.
Again... (Score:1)
It's exasperating to see how few people are recognizing this. The problem is, people are assuming content providers care most about their visitors. If it's possible to get paid off by Intel for putting closed content up, some people will choose to do so. Even when it's a CPU dongle that very few people currently have.
On/Off Software Windows only (Score:1)
Don't worry (Score:1)
Intel is just awaiting another mediahype about
their xth bugged processor release.
This is just to solve their logistic problems
at that time.
Limited privacy already (Score:1)
Just some food for thought... Did you realize that web sites can theoretically already track the (unique) Ethernet hardware addresses of Windows users? Windows exports the MAC address over the NBT (NetBIOS-over-TCP/IP) protocol, letting others on the Internet (not just the local network) figure it out.
Granted, this doesn't affect dialup users, but in principle, it doesn't seem all that different (in at least the network-related senses) from a unique processor-based serial number. (This isn't to say I support Intel here; I'm just providing info.)
Yay. Let the boycotting begin. (Score:1)
Boycott Intel, Blah, Blah, Blah (Score:1)
pnpdump (Score:1)
It's called a HostID... (Score:1)
You're missing the point. (Score:1)
so Intel embeds an ID into their chip. BFD. There are a whole bunch of other IDs in your system that software can get at in various ways. I merely see this as a way to help restrict the deployment of software. Example:
You call up some vendor and ask them to send you a copy of their software (or via the web) - and they ask for your CPU ID, they then ship you a copy, or email it, and only you can run it.
It's sort of like a PGP key.
Now - if you think that this ID could then somehow be tied to you, and your personal information, that's silly. More PCs are bought by businesses than homes. So - at a business, they'll get a lot of systems based on PIIIs. The system is not yours (even if you're sitting there using it) - it could be moved to someone elses desk tomorrow. Or, someone else could be sitting at your desk tomorrow. This thing in no way ties you to a machine and vis-versa.
I guess it was a bad idea to ever encode your bank acct on that plastic card?
When they were talking about on-line commerce - I really don't think they were talking about something as trivial as you making credit card purchases from some porn site!
What we're talking about is yet another ID that physically allows the decryption, or enables the running of something on that system and that system only.
- Porter
PS: I use an AMD chip because I support the underdog, and I wanted to save some $$. I won't be getting a PIII anytime soon, because I'd have to get a whole new MB, etc.
because MS would enable it at boot (Score:1)
And Scott says, "get used to no privacy."
But I'm not gonna give up the fight that easy.
make them hear you. (Score:1)
and prepare to share your thoughts with
andy_grove@intel.com
Founder of Intel, a man who I would hope reads his e-mail. If your decision to purchase Intel has been swayed by this less than informed PSN mistake, please inform him.
I've already sent him a quick note expressing my concerns. (hint "Can't see myself buying a buggy chip like this.." seems to be effective)
If you do choose to write, please keep it professional, a well written letter is a lot more effective than a poorly written rant.
~Grell
"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed people can change the world.
Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."
- Margaret Mead
make them hear you. (Score:1)
Linux could disable (or spoof) at boot? (Score:1)
The idea is to write a kernel module that you can compile to disable the PID at boot. Or, perhaps with compile option -D__PIDSPOOF__, have it substitute a random PID for the original PID. If even a small fraction of users do this, it would make collecting PID data absolutely useless.
No Subject Given (Score:1)
Para-Freakin-Noia (Score:1)
"Your heart is free. Have the courage to follow 'er."
No Subject Given (Score:1)
I hope Rep. May is just as vocal about the government's habit of abusing the privacy of unsuspecting citizens, lest he be a complete hypocrite. Oh wait...politician...hypocrite...is it possible???
Yeah, try boycotting MS... (Score:1)
Tracking!? (Score:1)
My IP number is shared with 50 (at work) and 2000 (at home) other people. They can't track who *I* am throught the IP number.
The idea of selling software per machine is brain dead anyway. Suppose I want to upgrade my processor, does than mean I need to buy a new license?
What about SMP systems? (Score:1)
If each Pentium III will have its own PSN which one would be transmitted to as a security check?
What if the order that the processors are installed on the motherboard are changed?
I think INTeL didn't do their homework too well (not that they ever did). Either that or they had something other than "security" on their mind when they came up with this idea.
sidster--
Big brother watching? Well, poke his eye out!
ID registers and such (Score:1)
Will lead to more "Windows only" sites (Score:1)
Ethernet (Score:1)
A question - An answer (Score:1)
What if someone did find out your serial number?
You couldn't just change it like your logon password. You would have to buy a NEW processor to be able to get a new serial number.
But then no-one will recognize you because they will be looking for your old serial number.
Boy wouldn't that be fun.
I build computers for a living. Not only do I think it is a bad Idea from the End-Users stand point, But the Government would also be able to track everything the computer manufacturers are doing also.
I don't beleive that embedded serial numbers would benefit anyone but those that would use the information for their own gain.
I will not use any processor that has an embedded number, code, etc..
Thank You Very Much.
Intel Arrogance - My 2 cents (Score:1)
Does that mean that you support manufacturers who enable the ID so they can track customers and collect info that they want without telling the Customer about it?
So what? (Score:1)
If Chip Makers do it, How do you even know unless they tell you.
Just because Intel says the chips will ship Disabled doesn't mean that is what you get when you buy the computers.
Intel said themselves, they will ship them disabled and give you the software to Enable the ID yourself.
What's keeping the computer companies that want it enabled from doing it when they build the systems?
Serial numbers will NOT help copy protection! (Score:1)
I know I routinely avoid all software that use copy protection schemes. I also know that I more than once have seen software because it pirated copies of it were widely available, and bought it as a result. It's been a few years, though, since I don't have a single commercial program on my Linux box :-)