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100,000 Iraqi Civilians "Liberated" More

100,000 Iraqi Civilians "Liberated"

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  • Thank you for validating my long held suspicion that the Fallujians have been wildly over doing their casualty reports.
    • When the researchers recalculated the effect of the war without the statistics from Fallujah, the deaths end up at 7.9 per 1,000 people per year - still 1.5 times higher than before the war.

      • Yes, thats exactly what I'm pointing too.

        You want more commentary? Sure. Is it not enough to compare these numbers with this same time after Gulf War I where hundreds of thousands were directly killed directly by Saddam? Instead comparing it only to the numbers dying under the oil for palaces program and faltering UN sanctions is still missing the point.
        • The point, presumably, being that Iraqis die at a higher rate during and immediately after an attack on their country by the US? I would think that would be fairly obvious.

          My point, of course, is that the idea that we are "saving Iraqi lives" by invading and occupying their country is rediculous. Whether you think their deaths are justified or not (obviously I think they are not), you pretty much have to admit that we are killing them.

          • yes but...they all attacked us! They all took down the trade towers with weapons of mass distraction! They are all named osama hussein, therefore they are ragheads! Don't they know that all their oil base are belong to us? Why, they wouldn't have anything if we didn't give it to them, the ingrates! And if you look really closely, they are really all French anyway, see how they talk funny and ya can't unnerstan them? And if we don't get them all, they will breed MORE of them, so we got to nip them in their b
          • My point, of course, is that the idea that we are "saving Iraqi lives" by invading and occupying their country is rediculous.

            Your point is rather short sided.

            Whether you think their deaths are justified or not (obviously I think they are not), you pretty much have to admit that we are killing them.

            Poor me another mug of hot Chomsky and strike up a copy of "Manufacturing Dissent". Once again its fear of implication that seems to rule the day? The US goes into a country, and the same regime that killed
  • You shouldn't be so eager to believe propaganda. [slate.com]

    Choice quote:

    Readers who are accustomed to perusing statistical documents know what the set of numbers in the parentheses means. For the other 99.9 percent of you, I'll spell it out in plain English--which, disturbingly, the study never does. It means that the authors are 95 percent confident that the war-caused deaths totaled some number between 8,000 and 194,000. (The number cited in plain language--98,000--is roughly at the halfway point in this absur

    • So you're saying that it just happens, by some curious coincidence, that the true number lies somewhere near the bottom of this range? The high probability is that it lies somewhere near the middle. It gets less probable as you approach the edges, presumably in a nice Gaussian, so basically, you're calling this a lie based on the idea that, because it would fit in with your ideology nicely, the real number has to be somewhere near the bottom of the range, however improbable that may be, and that it certainl
      • I made no claim about the real number. I merely denounced your spreading of an obvious partisan falsehood. You have no proof of where the real number is, even the slate writer believes it to be at the low end, concluding about 30,000 to be the likely high-end of truth. The report itself could only "conclude" with 95% certainty that the correct number was even within their absurdly large range. I did a study too and concluded with 99% certainty that between 10 and 2,000,000,000 people have died in Iraq.
      • Oh, and this wasn't posted so much to convince you, more to demonstrate how one has to completely ignore fundamentals of statistics and logic to believe and repeat this type of lie. And then to demonstrate how ready you are to do just that.
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