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Journal Chacham's Journal: Rant: Females forget to get dressed before they leave 21

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Summer and its related clothing shortage is here. The amount of women with clothes not reaching their knees is staggering. Though, the low necklines are even more abundant. In a world where "harrasment" is common enough, it's a wonder why females walk so unclad in the public streets. If they'd wear a raincoat and open it up for someone, they'd be pretty close to being a "flasher". I don't see why this is any different. Any perpetrators should be able to claim enticement.

I'm beginning to think a dress-code would be a good thing. If the government helps people anyway they think they are deficient, perhaps they should help people get dressed in the morning.

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  • Enticement?
    In my book, even if they walked around naked, that wouldn't be defence against rape.
    • Enticement? In my book, even if they walked around naked, that wouldn't be defence against rape.

      Agreed. It's just a really dumb idea, like leaving your house or car unlocked - and just as leaving something unlocked doesn't make stealing it legal or right, inappropriate dress doesn't make rape or harassment right either - although of course it can and should affect any sympathy/insurance payout.

      • and just as leaving something unlocked doesn't make stealing it legal or right, inappropriate dress doesn't make rape or harassment right either

        That is not a proper analogy. Leaving the door unlocked is probably more like going to a singles bar.

        The unclad entice the other gender simply by exciting their hormones. They actually change the state of the other person. I'd call that enticement.

        It obviously doesn't make it okay though, but it does remove all my sympathy if anything should happen to them.
        • That is not a proper analogy. Leaving the door unlocked is probably more like going to a singles bar.

          So, I'm coming late to the party.

          No. Going to a singles bar expresses interest in meeting someone. Leaving the door to your house unlocked does not express interest in having people come in your house.

          Honestly, I think it's sad that you use the phrase "not reaching the knees" -- how archaic. Should we cover ourselves entirely lest we "tempt" someone with a calf fetish? What about wrists? Toes? Whe

          • Going to a singles bar expresses interest in meeting someone.

            Almost exactly. Some just go to window shop. Though, the *other* person sees it as an invitation. Almost the same with unlocked doors. Though, obviously not the same.

            Perhaps a better analogy with scant clothing would be turning on a porch light on Holloween. No matter the intention of the home owner, noone can be blamed for coming to the door and asking for candy.

            Leaving the door to your house unlocked does not express interest in having peop
            • (This is seen by "hate" speech.)

              It should be noted that hate speech is not illegal in the US, it is in fact protected by the Constitution. Laws passed to ban hate speech in public venues can be challenged and are likely to be defeated.

              Excellent question. Although, perhaps it is better phrased as "when is the concern of a group strong enough that we forbid the actions of another group?"

              Fair enough, but you neglect to take into account groupings that are protected under law; gender being one of the mos

              • It should be noted that hate speech is not illegal in the US, it is in fact protected by the Constitution.

                Not fully. When violence is a probably outcome, it is banned.

                Fair enough, but you neglect to take into account groupings that are protected under law; gender being one of the most prominent.

                That is on the basis of needs, not actions normally taken by the group.

                I assume you meant to say "if A taunted B"

                Yes, thanx.

                in which case your assumption is incorrect. A can prosecute B for battery.

                IANA
  • When I was in university I heard this little poem:

    However we dress,
    where-ever we go,
    the right to say 'yes',
    the right to say 'no'.

    Hey that works for me.

    However, now that I am no longer in University, I don't feel expect myself to not notice when a gal wearing an eye-catching outfit.

    I have a request for all the rest of you guys. Be cool man! Don't blow it with whistling, or comments that would make gals want to start to cover up again, OK?

  • Maybe a (slightly) reduced charge for harassment / rape if the victim enticed it--like 15 years instead of 20.

    And make enticing someone to a sexual crime a misdemanor, so if you wear a come-hither outfit and walk "ladylike", and you get raped, the guy gets a lesser charge than if he grabbed a random person off the street AND you get to either pay a fine or spend some time in jail.

    Or: if a feminist can define rape as "the girl gets up in the morning and changes her mind," let's book the girl for conspiracy
    • Maybe a (slightly) reduced charge for harassment / rape if the victim enticed it--like 15 years instead of 20.

      Certainly perhaps.

      • In the general case, whatever someone else does to encourage your crimes, does not diminish your crimes. Oh sure, there are exceptions, but being a red-blooded male is not one of them. You are responsible for your own actions.

        While I have no problem saying that women sometimes put themselves in dangerous situations by dressing (or undressing) scantily, it in no way dimishes the crime of rape against them. I think the rape of the woman is normally punishment enough for her error: we don't need to compoun
        • I understand what you are saying, and for the most part agree. However, i have two factors that i think change the situation a bit.

          One, if a woman gave a man a drug that altered his state of mind, and then he raped her, he would probably be cleared of wrongdoing, or at least treated more lightly. When women dress in a provocative manner, they are pretty much doing exactly that (and that is many times their intent). They dress in a way to excite the male's hormones, causing an altered state of mind.

          If she
          • One, if a woman gave a man a drug that altered his state of mind, and then he raped her, he would probably be cleared of wrongdoing, or at least treated more lightly. When women dress in a provocative manner, they are pretty much doing exactly that (and that is many times their intent). They dress in a way to excite the male's hormones, causing an altered state of mind.

            This is what I was referring to in the last sentence of my previous post. Society is not ready to accept this, and I hope it never does,
  • Summer and it's related clothing ...

    It's? Tsk, tsk!

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