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Journal tomzyk's Journal: Matrix Philosophy 20

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Since I can't seem to get it out of my head, I might as well start writing down all of my thoughts about the movies before I forget them. (I'm also doing this so that when the final movie comes out, I can point and laugh at everyone and say "HA, told you so!"... or, if my theories are waaaaay off, I can just deny that this account is acctually mine.) ;)

I'll be giving each of my theories in separate thread-responses below for organizational purposes. (yeah, i'm just geeky that way.)

And..... BEGIN!

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  • I believe that the Matrix and Zion are both inside a simulator. (So from now on, I will be referring to "the Matrix" as "the inner-Matrix" and "the real world where Zion exists" as "the outer-Matrix".)

    The primary reason for this belief is that Neo could "sense" the scavengers coming towards him and even destroy them with a though. There currently has been no real explanation given as to how this could have happened in a "real" world.

    It is my current belief that Neo, himself, is the Artificial Intelligence
    • Even-though the entirety of Zion and the inner-Matrix are just a virtual world, real living people have access to it. Only 3 real people have been seen so far: the Merovingian, Persephone, and the Architect. (There may be more, but these are the ones I believe that have shown that they are real already.) I say this because the Merovingian and his wife, Persephone, are arguing about his screwing around and he laughs it off and says "it's just a game". (meaning that he isn't really fooling around on her in re
      • as mentioned on k5, i think the complexity of the matter actually increased as far as it did from stable reality to the first film. as any unactive mind will tell you, the matrix was a fake world, and that you could wake up from it as if it were a dream. in this movie however, the possibility is openned up that there *is* no real world, just shells upon shells of functions(programs) and ai (otherwise known as i/o errors) this red pill, if taken in the correct dosage, is enough to inspire all but 'cartesia
      • humans have finite lifespans, last time i checked... if they were what you say they are, and not aware virii, then they should kick out from old age...
        although...cypher(????) must have gotten information from somewhere...mabye the existance of such possibilities as persephone(?) got him tuned to the idea in the first place...

        • humans have finite lifespans

          Good point... but how do you know how long the Matrix has actually been running? For all we know, it has just been resetting and beginning again at the point where Neo wakes up at the beginning of the first movie. All in all, the several iterations of the Matrix might have only been running for about a year or so.

          As for where Cypher may have gotten his information... I'm assuming that the Oracle talks to a lot of people and probably planted ideas into many peoples' minds. I thi

          • i seem to think that -we are getting good at it- means that the iterations last a few generations...although this time may be decreasing as efficiency increases...so around 50 years minnimum. (3 generations?)
            or am i missing something? *not really witty today*
    • although, as it all came to me at once, i didnt write it down shame on me. hopefully i can throw some peices at you to see what happens the matrix is a big, massive, impressively pulled off commercial. yes, i bought a computer, and so did a lot of other people. entire [thekult.net] counterculture [thekult.net] movements started in its wake...now crushed or awaiting to be crushed by the contradictions the second movie brings(and the anime series, alledgedly bring..)
      secondly, i think the sex was supposed to start a birthing process,
  • Of course, any conclusions that are made at this point can easily be turned and twisted around once the third movie comes out.

    They could always say in Revolutions that the scavenger at the end of Reloaded simply short-circuited itself (and zapped Neo in the process) simply to avoid killing him since he still had to go back into the Matrix and select the new people to restart Zion all over again. The precognition that Neo experienced could just be his imagination or some piece of circuitry that still was in

  • 101 (Score:2)

    by tomzyk ( 158497 )
    Oh yeah...

    In the first movie:
    Trinity fights the cops in room 303.
    Neo's apartment is room 101.

    In the second movie:
    In the Burly Brawl, my brother said he saw graffiti on the walls that said "ONE" in two places. (I'm assuming there may have been a "ZERO" or "0" between them, but I'll have to check that out when I go see it again.) ... grrr... I can't remember, but I DEFINITELY saw "101" in a few other places too in Reloaded... I just can't remember right now. (I think it was in some marble flooring in one pl
    • Another little Easter Egg in the movies is the monitors in the Architect's room. I was watching The Matrix again last night and (I don't know why it never really occurred to me before) noticed that in the scene where Agent Smith interrogates Neo at the beginning of the movie, the scene starts at a viewpoint from the Architect's room, looking at Neo in the interrogation room, and then zooming in on a specific monitor.

      Just thought that was kinda cool. :)
  • Found this a few days ago and thought that some of these articles are kind of interesting.

    http://whatisthematrix.warnerbros.com/rl_cmp/new_p hil_fr_intro.html [warnerbros.com]
  • Just a random thought occurred to me while mowing the lawn this morning...

    Neo is referred to as "The One". The Architect explains that 99% of humans accept the Matrix for being "reality". This leaves 1% of the human population that cannot accept it and they escape to the "real world", where Zion exists. Neo could, in fact, be the 1% of THAT 1% that does not accept the "Zion reality" as being real and therefore will break-out of THAT level of the Matrix to another reality or level of an even greater simulat
  • Perhaps we, as human beings [inside the Matrix], do not know what we are fully capable of in reality [outside of the Matrix]. Perhaps humans have an ability to sense electricity and/or radiation (beyond the visible spectrum). Perhaps humans can emit bolts of electricity from their fingertips. Perhaps the REAL laws of physics are VERY different from those that we have experienced our entire lives.

    Maybe this is just something Neo has realized at the end of Reloaded. (ok, not very likely, but it's still worth
    • This is what I think the Wachowski's are getting at with the trilogy. Basically, we have not yet reached the full potential of human beings. In order to realize this potential, one must learn about the nature of reality and stuff like that. Some seriously deep stuff, but it is only there if you want it to be there. Otherwise, the trilogy is just another neat sci-fi/kung fu movie.
  • Well, after seeing the Animatrix short-films (yes, all 9 episodes on Pay-Per-View), I think that my previous assumptions about the direction the movies are going is flawed. Now I'm starting to think that Zion actually is outside the Matrix and the human/AI war did actually happen.

    The Animatrix episodes are other brief looks into the Matrix and Zion to see what else is going on. Some talk about the beginnings of the human/AI war, some talk about other people who have managed to break free of the Matrix's ru
    • In "Second Renaissance (Parts I and II)":
      Why would all of humanity suddenly rise up against the machines and try to destroy them? Just because one robot, B166ER, decided to kill his owner is no reason to destroy all machines. It's as dumb as blaming all Muslims for 9/11, all Christians for the Crusades and all Americans for NASCAR.

      Aren't we all a little bit responsible for NASCAR?
      • how do I get my sig to appear on two lines instead of one. what is the HTML for endline?

        Man, I wish I had the time to watch the animatrix. I spend 70 hours a week at work and another 10 doing other shit. No time for relaxing, not to mention me time. Damn it. I haven't even been able to finish the Enter the Matrix game.

        • HTML (Score:2)

          by tomzyk ( 158497 )
          Allowed HTML on /.
          • B = bold
          • I = italics
          • P = paragraph
          • A = anchor (hyperlink)
          • LI = list item
          • OL = ordered list (numbered items inside)
          • UL = unordered list (bulleted items inside)
          • EM = emphasis (basically italics I think)
          • BR = line break
          • TT = true type formats your text using a fixed-width font
          • STRONG = same as bold
          • BLOCKQUOTE = same as P but indents the content
          • DIV = same as P but no extra spacing before and after
          • ECODE = same as TT but indents the content

          BR, which is the tag you are looking for, is the o

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