Journal Dirtside's Journal: Oh yeah? Prove it! 8
From all the evidence I can find, religions in general seem to be a manifestation of man's desire for there to be answers to The Big Questions. Actual evidence for the supernatural claims religions make is completely lacking.
If someone comes to me and claims that God exists, my response is, "Prove it." It's the same response I'd give if someone came to me and said that space aliens were implanting chips in people's brains, or if someone said that increasing the number of miles of freeways in Los Angeles County would decrease traffic congestion, or if someone said that pyramid power can help you blah blah mystical-energy-cakes etc. I see no reason to believe things that have no evidence.
You know what evidence is? Arguments like, "But who else could have created all this beauty?" (while gesturing at a grand mountain vista, for example) are not evidence. Arguments like, "Well, we don't know what created the universe, so it must be God!" are not evidence. With that logic, you can claim that anything you don't yet have an answer for to be caused by anything you like. Evidence is quantifiable and physical; it can be scanned, detected, and analyzed. I can do repeatable, falsifiable tests on the theory of universal gravitation; I can do such tests on thermodynamic theory, hydrodynamic theory, mathematical theory, biological theory... but not, it seems, religion. And yet people want me to take as fact the idea that God exists. Come on.
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Regardless, the Second Law of Thermodynamics says nothing about "order" or "disorder." One phrasing is, "The entropy of a closed system cannot decrease." "Entropy" measures the amount of unusable energy in a system; it sometimes (but not always) corresponds to intuitive notions of order and disorder.
Put another way, the Second Law says that in a closed system (a system from which energy cannot enter or leave), the total amount of entropy in the system will always increase, if it changes at all. The Earth is not a closed system; we have a gigantic energy emitter (the Sun) flooding us with enormous amounts of usable energy. The Earth-Sun system is not closed, either; we're part of a galaxy. The only "closed system" in reality is the universe itself, and even that's debated.
Degrading in what sense? In other words, what manner of measurement are you using that our current state (Homo sapiens sapiens) is "degraded" from an earlier state (e.g. Homo habilis, Homo erectus, etc.)? So it's just that easy? I just say I believe in Jesus, and that's it? Well, not quite... I can't just say it, I actually have to believe it. But I try not to believe things that I don't have any evidence for. So if I'm going to believe it, I'm going to need evidence that it's true. (Whatever "it" is defined to be, e.g. that if you accept Jesus into your heart you'll go to heaven, etc. One problem with people saying, "Just believe it" is that "it" is often very imprecisely defined. Asking for clarification tends to lead to contradictions.) I've had a fair amount of experience with it; it turns out they're not really very good at it either. More or less by their very nature, arguments about religion tend to come down to assuming the existence of God. I'm glad to see that you're able to recognize at least some forms of faulty logic when you come across them. Here's a handy guide to many of the most common logical fallacies, a majority of which are often used to support the idea that God exists: http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html [infidels.org] I believe that the general depiction of the Christian God is that the attitude of trying to suck up to God generally gets you in more trouble than it saves you.Re:Can't think of a good subject (Score:2)
I have some musing on God, which are reflected by the following. I have added you to my Friends list so if you reply to this I think I'll see it. If not there's always thing1fl@bigfoot.com.
Damn, the site I posted it to appears to be down so I can't cut-and-paste. I need to reboot now, so I'll post this and reply to it when the other site comes back up.
Sorry I'm not more useful but it's fairly big. Has to do with quantum effects and nanotechnology, but I can fairly convincingly pro
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Believing in a being more powerful than us, composed of us, is not "primitive." It is, in my mind at least, enlightened.
Think of us as cells. There are 10-100 trillion cells [yahoo.com] in the human body. Each cell, if it had consciousness, could be thinking, "I'm an individual. There is no Thing 1!"
And it wouldn't matter to me whether my cells believed in me or not, as long as they were acting to further my interests. As soon as one or more turn cancerous (and I notice
Faith and proof. (Score:2)
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