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Comment: Re:Problem is Employee Leaves After Training (Score 2) 491

by wayne_t (#46349539) Attached to: Do We Really Have a Shortage of STEM Workers?
There is a comment I came across once that illustrates this thought process.

Manager: What if we pay to train them and they leave for another company?

Lead Developer: What if we don't train them and they stay?

There is always a chance people will leave after the training. On the other hand, do you really want a staff comprised of people no one else wants to hire?

Comment: Re:The difference in the two numbers ... (Score 5, Insightful) 491

by wayne_t (#46345237) Attached to: Do We Really Have a Shortage of STEM Workers?

Having been on both sides, interviewer and interviewee in the past few years there are problems on both sides. And, it also depends on what you mean by qualified.

For example, NFL teams complain that there is a lack of qualified people who can throw a football even though every college team in the country has 3 or 4 on the roster. However, there is only one Peyton, Brady, or Brees. There is a reason they get paid an insane amount of money and it's because once you've narrowed the field to the best 32 guys in the country, there is still a big difference in quality.

However, the difference between superstar programmer and basically competent programmer is probably on the range of 5 to 10K at most on average. What companies mean when they say "qualified" is frequently superstar. They want 10+ years of experience in 10 different technologies and would prefer that you be under 30 and fairly cheap. They don't want to pay the equivalent of Brady or Brees salary (relatively not literally). They want people who do it because they "love" it or have passion for it.

Where I work, for programmers and engineers (P.E. types), not only do you need to be better than minimally competent in your technical field you also need to be able to manage people and do business development. How many people do you know who are average to above in a technical area, management, and marketing? And yes, we complain we can't find "qualified" people. I keep pointing out that every company would like to have the people we want and there just isn't that many to go around. In the end, coaching or management is taking a group of guys and leading them to perform such that the team is greater than the sum of the parts. It's easier if you have all stars at every position, but that is almost never going to happen.

A conference is a gathering of important people who singly can do nothing but together can decide that nothing can be done. -- Fred Allen