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I love people who think pure capitalism is a good thing. They're great because they all think they "made it" from some great work ethic and that everyone else only fails because they're lazy. Needless to say, they've probably never had to work a real job even one day in their life. Mommy and Daddy paid for college AFTER paying taxes to send them through a well-funded public (or private) school that looked good on the transcripts they sent to said college. They're well fed, have cushy, climate-controlled office environments to "work" in, and they have no fucking clue what they're talking about.

And, if you think I'm talking about you, go cry me a river, Emo. I don't give a shit if you're offended.

If you really think that capitalism is so great, here's what you do:

  1. Demand that any and all tax-funded fire hydrants be removed. Go buy your own and either put it in yourself, or pay someone to do it. Also, eliminate any tax funding your local fire department might get and get a service contract with them you communist fucktard.
  2. While we're on the subject of emergencies, what the fuck is with these welfare-retards who get to make 911 calls even if their phone is cut off? Fuck that. Make them use a phone card and call from a payphone.
  3. Also, we need to repeal laws that let the elderly and other fixed-income households avoid having their electricity shut off. It's ridiculous, I tell you. I don't care if your back is broken in five places and everything but your goddamn eyelids are immobilized, if you can't pay your electric bill, you get no heat. Some goes for other utitlities - gas, water, etc.
  4. What about the homeless? Most of them are just useless mental patients anyway. Squatting is illegal, so someone needs to start an extermination company. If you have a problem with a homeless person on or near your property, you call them up and the clean up crew takes care of the problem. Dump them at sea or something.
  5. And what's with these bullshit "monopoly laws" anyway? In real capitalism, there's no such thing as "anti-competetive practices" because EVERYTHING you do should be anti-competition. If Microsoft wants to leverage its monopoly on desktops to lock in media players, browsers, and everything else, then so be it. That's capitalism. Hiya. Welcome to the real deal.
  6. Here's another thing, if your company will only pay you in credits good at the company store so you can't spend their money, then so be it. Again, that's capitalism. You have a problem? Get the fuck out of America then you pinko bastard.

I'm sick of hearing about how horribly socialist "welfare" programs are. Cluestick you lazy fucking bitches, if we really lived in a purely capitalist society you're fat, overstuffed ass would be sleeping on a fucking cot with the goddamn cockroaches. Uncontrolled capitalism and the elimination of basic welfare programs is only a good idea in the minds of truly stupid people. Christ on a stick, dumbasses! Even Bush and Cheney aren't so fucking stupid that they think ALL welfare is bad.

Postulate: I have now pissed off all the "hardcore capitalists" who succeeded becuase of their "work ethic" even though in a pure capitalist society they'd have died of starvation and/or disease twenty years ago.

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  • Unfortunately, I'm not being so tongue in cheek about it. I see no problem with shutting down those who aren't contributing, and also - the homeless should be used to generate power at the local power plant. No use wasting those 2400 BTUs.
    • Oh - and I forgot. I *did* make it as did my father relatively speaking. I didn't go to college on anyone's dime but my own, and yes, I used to work out in the sun (for 7 years) before I 'made it' and started working in technology when I saw a shift in the wind of the corporate world.

      Sorry for making two posts :)
      • Wah wah, commie. You "made it" because your employer can't legally whip you like a pack mule and it's more expensive for them to keep you at your current rate than fire and rehire, not because of anything you did particularly well.

        Go cry, emo. Your company ought to be able to treat you however badly they want if you really believe in capitalism.

        • Your company ought to be able to treat you however badly they want if you really believe in capitalism.

          Yes, and you ought to be able to go work for whoever you like, too. In a pure capitalist system, those that treat their employees badly will soon have no employees. And naturally you'd be free to relocate anywhere you like, so you could go where the jobs are.

          Of course, anyone else on the planet could also relocate to wherever the jobs are -- the concept of "illegal aliens" is, well, alien to a pure capit

          • And naturally you'd be free to relocate anywhere you like, so you could go where the jobs are.

            History is most vehemently disagreeing with you at the moment.

            That's why I don't get about the "everyman for himself" lunatics now-a-days. Do they honestly believe that these "horrible" socialist protections workers and citizens enjoy just came out of nowhere without any precipitating factor?
            • I don't deny that there is / was a precipitating factor at one time, but for a lot of things, that factor has gone.

              I've been in bad working conditions, or at least conditions which I did not favor, and I found another job. I'm still puzzled why the folks at EA never figgured that out. I've taken pay-cuts to get out of a bad situation rather than deal with the ramifications of staying at a poor employer.
              • Umm.. yea, the factors are gone because now it's illegal to do things like force your employees to sleep in your facility or pay them in credits good at the company store only. I'm not just making shit up, company's really did that.

                The factors are gone because of those "horrible" socialist protections that YOU enjoy that allow YOU to succeed. I'd bet everything I own that if you weren't protected rom your company, you'd be a miserable failure right now. You succeeded because some terrible "socialist" didn'
                • Why are you so sure that if not for government intervention, all companies would rely on fat-cat tactics and abuse their employees? There is such a thing as a benevolent dictator. I don't think that there are any groups of factors to make the entire American populace a group of miserable failures by any stretch of the imagination. We're innovators. I've even worked on my own consulting for short stints when a job has not worked out for me. I'm sorry, but I just can't see where you're coming from.

                  Is be
                  • You don't get it. It's not a matter of what would happen if these companies didn't have a noose around their neck to keep them from lashing out at customers and employees, it's a matter of them having already done it and earned those nooses. Socialist "nonsense" didn't just spring up from nowhere, it sprang up because the rich barons WERE abusing customers and workers and they were getting RICHER by doing it.

                    History backs me up on this. I didn't make up that "company paying you in credits" thing. At one ti
                    • Historically, humans also used spears fitted with stone tips to hunt mammoths to extinction. What's your point? I never refuted your facts, as I know them to be true. I'm just saying that there's a time and place for restrictions and regulation, and there's a time for them to be repealed.

                      Do you remember the problems that stemmed from Bell being broken up? Phone service used to run around $10 total. Now its closer to $40 to the home.

                      I'm against all government regulation of things that the market can t
                    • Companies DO care about making thier employees happy. Especially small companies.

                      I gotta say, you're really unreaslistic. If you left it all up to capitalism there wouldn't BE any small companies because the large companies would either wipe them out the instant they came into being or buy them up. Case in point: Rockefeller. You could NOT compete with him. HE was a capitalist and a damn good one. THAT is capitalism. THIS is not capitalism. TRUST BUSTING is not capitalism. Monopoly laws are NOT capitalism
                    • And, it doesn't MATTER what people will or won't "stand for". If the only game in town is Wal-Mart, you can bitch and moan all you want, but your only choices are "work for Wal Mart" or "don't work" and I hardly think that's a choice.

                      The other option is to go somewhere else and work for someone else, or to work for yourself. There are always niches that large companies cannot or will not compete in for whatever reason.

                      Which is, of course, all trivial detail compared to the original point of the entry:
                    • Well, I'm sorry you're evil and you have heavy Nazi leanings (no kidding, not a blind insult, you do).
                    • I don't want to put them in gassing chambers, but just make them more productive by giving them a STRONG reason to want to be (aka survival).

                      Look, I know some people are down on their luck, and I also know some people leech the system. If you want to turn a blind eye to the cancer of Western society, feel free.
                    • Nonsense. You're not taking your own medicine. You're sitting here saying "the poor are just failing because they don't try" AND you're saying that YOU are somehow being held back by the poor. There's no single coherent thought process here. Either people are self-motiviating and rsponsible for their own success and, by extension, failures - meaning any failing on your end stems from your own inadequacy, not some perceived weight put upon you by the lower class - or people function as individual parts of a
                    • Either people are self-motiviating and rsponsible for their own success and, by extension, failures - meaning any failing on your end stems from your own inadequacy, not some perceived weight put upon you by the lower class - or people function as individual parts of a bigger unit and it behooves us, as a unit, to drag along the wounded until they can become a productive part of the core again.

                      The 'weight' comes in the form of taxes. Bringing the wounded serves no purpose other than to pacify the family
                    • The other option is to go somewhere else and work for someone else, or to work for yourself. There are always niches that large companies cannot or will not compete in for whatever reason.

                      It's very hard to go somewhere else with very little money. At minimum that requires a bus ticket and leaving behind any posessions that don't fit in three bags. Or a car which costs much more money to own. Then there's the need for shelter. Assuming there is a relative to stay with, great, otherwise the person is sc
                    • *sigh*

                      I honestly thought this conversation was finally dead, and we had moved on to new flamewars.

                      Walking is always an option. Not one many people would resort to, but free travel across the United States is still readily available either by foot or rail (yes, you can still catch a train like a hobo if you know what you're doing). Americans have an inflated idea of what is required to live. PC Games, Television, Computers, Cars are all nice, but not requirements for basic life.

                      Granted, I have a differ
                  • "Why are you so sure that if not for government intervention, all companies would rely on fat-cat tactics and abuse their employees?"

                    Um, maybe because that's exactly what happened until the government DID intervene. Do they even teach history [rootsweb.com] in school anymore?! You think labor unions just came from magic pixie dust? Labor unions came about because people didn't know, when they went to work in the morning, whether they'd come home alive or not. What they did know was that if they died, there was n
              • "I've been in bad working conditions,"

                And lo, the voice of ignorance did speaketh.

                Have you worked 16-hour shifts in garment sweatshops with almost no lighting - and NO fire exits whatsoever? Have you contracted tuberculosis from working in coal mones and had no health insurance? Have you worked a job for over a year and never received a paycheck? Have you spent 12 hours a day literally hip-deep in dead animal parts and blood for $50? Did you have to drop out of high school to take your father's place
            • History is most vehemently disagreeing with you at the moment.
              History? When in all of history did humans ever globally have 100% pure capitalist societies? Until we do, my statement cannot be proved wrong. Nor can yours be proved right. Even when the USA had all the abuses you speak of, the USA was not a pure capitalist society. Just like China and the USSR were never pure communist societies.
  • Sorry, nobody to call. If homeless are sqatting on your land, you'll have to take care of it yourself, or pay the per-incident fee to your local mercenaries. Otherwise, you'll just have to live with the inconvenience.
    • Regardless of the specific logistics, the point is that for-hire murderers would be legal in a purely capitalist society so long as there was some justification in the form of a "need" to have particular people or groups of people eliminated.
      • pedantic.

        Yes, AND wouldn't financial gain be the only justification required? The only crime would be if the person's life were instrumental in the financial gain of someone else's interests.

        How would gambling affect this?

        Yes, Judge, he was worth $100,000 to Joe, but I had a wager for $150,000 that he would die. Clearly, this case should be thrown out, as my financial gain outweighs that of Joe!

    • In a "truly capitalist society", who is to say that what you call "squatters" haven't just decided to take what they want because they can, and that you're now the vermin infesting their new home?

      After all, if they're ready to pay for it with a few bullets in *your* body, then free-market forces have decided that that is the price for it.

      Isn't there historical precedent for this (European explorers in the "new world") ...

  • Get rid of every government "help out" program, and give a flat living-poverty cash ammount to everyone. They'll buy food, groceries, and whatnot, and provide a meaningful service by being part of the most effecient resource allocator known to man.

    The government would then simply regulate companies by billing them for their harm to the environment, intervening when any one entity or group becomes strong enough to control any market, printing money, and enforcing contracts and torts brought by companies or
    • Which is effectively what we have now, except we don't give free hand outs to people unless we think they need it for some legitimate reason. I don't buy your plan because I have no problem letting plain lazy people die. If you choose not to work, you choose whatever piss poor condition your life is. The problem, as I see it, is that screwballs these days - most of whom are lily-white, dove-soft workless retards who came from good or well-off backgrounds and succeeded because of some familial predecessor's
  • If I could friend you twice I would. Lest others get the wrong idea, I won't cook you dinner, but I will vote for you.
  • Also add that Police departments will be paid on a per-incident basis. You get robbed? Better have your Credit card number memorized: $500 down, then $250/hour of investigation. Oh, and court appearances are extra.

    Every street needs to be a toll-road. All citizens must carry an E-Z pass [ezpass.com] if they wish to use the sidewalks, ride a bike or drive a vehicle.

    • Hahahahahahahaha, you're either very insightful or have read the book [amazon.com]... (Film at eleven. [maxbarry.com]) I'm glad somebody else can see this shit coming, now all we gotta do is stop it.

      • Yeah, I checked the book out from my Socialist-program-provided Library. I wasn't too impressed, as the protagonist was unattractive (mentally) and I thought the situations trite.

        The most enjoyment I received was from the thought-exercises: What would happen if we went to a purely market-driven culture, for everything?

        I don't think it would work practically. What if the police only worked to solve crimes once the victims paid for their services? Even fewer crimes would be solved, let alone prosecuted,

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