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Comment: Re:Machine learning? (Score 1) 178

by stdarg (#49752277) Attached to: DNA On Pizza Crust Leads To Quadruple Murder Suspect

what is the value, exactly, of saying that because his skin is brown, that we have to ascribe some sort of negative modifier on how we perceive his intelligence

None, because as an individual we can make an individualized determination for him.

intelligence is an INDIVIDUAL value. it does no good to class all people according to an arbitrary signifier.

It does if that arbitrary signifier has correlations with important outcomes.

The "good" is that it allows us to spend resources more efficiently when we want to influence those outcomes, or to conserve resources and accept certain things instead of trying to fight them.

As an example, there is a great deal of money and time being spent to address racial achievement gaps in education. The assumption is the aggregate statistics for each race should be about the same. What if that assumption is wrong? Then we're wasting money that could be put to much better use.

if you were interviewing a bunch of people for computer programmer, and disregarded the ones with brown skin because they were "less intelligent," you might have hired a dumb white person and disregarded the black genius

You're right, and that's a great example of dumb racist thinking. That doesn't mean much because non-racists or anti-racists are dumb too.

therefore, according to racist "thinking," we should assume all white people are rapists

See, this means you don't even understand what you're criticizing. What's this "all" business?

Here's a better example. Men are more likely to commit rape than women. Women are more likely to be raped than men. Pop quiz: did I just say that all men are rapists, or that all women are raped? Answer: nope.

by believing in racism, and all of the logical fallacies that come with it, you have objectively proven to me that you are a stupid person. i don't respect you

To me the biggest problem with you is that you conflate "acknowledging racial differences" with "believing in racism." Acknowledging that men commit more violent rapes than women clearly doesn't make me sexist. Does acknowledging that black men have a higher rate of committing murder than white men make me racist?

I don't consider myself racist, or at least not the dumb kind of racist you were talking about above who wouldn't hire a smart black guy because of a firm belief that all blacks are dumb.

But whatever. I don't respect you either because you've shown you can't have a serious discussion. You're hiding behind calling me "low iq" even though I'm quite smart, as are most people on Slashdot, and that should be evident to you from reading my posts.

Comment: Re:Signals, zoning, and subsidizing transit (Score 1) 825

by stdarg (#49751729) Attached to: Oregon Testing Pay-Per-Mile Driving Fee To Replace Gas Tax

Moreover, it can actually be more dangerous for a bike rider to come to a complete stop. It is much slower for a bike to accelerate from a complete stop than from a slow yield. That puts the bike rider in the intersection for longer

That is a great point that the other poster made too. I'm still not sure running the stop sign at low speed would make much of a difference, and the faster you go, the less you're able to check for traffic.

Finally, not every biker is in tip-top shape.

That, I'm familiar with. I actually was a biker for about 6 months when I was trying to lose some weight. That's part of why I feel a little comfortable expressing my doubts.. I have biked in those proverbial shoes.

I think it's pretty dangerous for the out of shape biker like you're talking about. We don't have years of experience and many hours per week of practice (or we wouldn't be out of shape). Slowing down and checking for traffic sounds great, but it would be tough to do well because that also means checking behind you. To me, the most dangerous thing I ever ran into is the car behind you that wants to quickly pass you and make a turn. Even at a red light, the car might want to go right on red, and assumes you're not going to just run through the light, so they pass you.

I'm equally paranoid about that as a walker/jogger. When I'm on the sidewalk and about to cross another road, or even worse an entrance to a parking lot, I always look behind me before crossing. I can't believe how many times I've done that to catch a car that thinks "Oh he's going so slow, I'll just sneak ahead of him and turn real quick."

Comment: Re:Rich Family Dies, World At Peril!!! (Score 1) 178

by stdarg (#49751261) Attached to: DNA On Pizza Crust Leads To Quadruple Murder Suspect

hookers with pimps tend to be better paid and less likely to be victims of violence.

That's interesting. I have no idea what the overall statistics are, but the most disturbing prostitution stories (to me) generally involve pimps. There was a good episode of "Vice News" about prostitution and they told the stories of girls who were being manipulated emotionally by pimps, and occasionally hooked on drugs or beaten... but mostly emotional manipulation and financial threats (kicking them out).

To me that's the bad part of prostitution. I'm not sure legalizing it would make it much better... you're still going to have very damaged girls engaging in it, even if it's legal. Who wants to be a prostitute after all?

Comment: Re:Machine learning? (Score 1) 178

by stdarg (#49751151) Attached to: DNA On Pizza Crust Leads To Quadruple Murder Suspect

what i find interesting is that people who ascribe moronic connections: skin color and intelligence, for example, are, by definition of making that ignorant connection and taking it seriously, stupid people.

What you're doing is called "begging the question." How do you know there isn't a connection between race and intelligence, when so many tests over the years show otherwise?

And why do you oversimplify race to "skin color?" You don't change races when you get a tan right?

Comment: Re:Rich Family Dies, World At Peril!!! (Score 1) 178

by stdarg (#49751069) Attached to: DNA On Pizza Crust Leads To Quadruple Murder Suspect

Well there are a few in the Caribbean: http://www.examiner.com/articl...

Martinique has the lowest rate, with 4.2 per 100k. However, it's only 300k people, compared with 2.7 million in Jamaica (the highest murder rate), so I'm not sure it makes much difference to the overall crime rate in the Caribbean.

Comment: Re:Rich Family Dies, World At Peril!!! (Score 4, Informative) 178

by stdarg (#49751051) Attached to: DNA On Pizza Crust Leads To Quadruple Murder Suspect

There are plenty of majority places in the Caribbean, Africa and the Americas in which the crime rate is low and normal.

Hmm, are you sure about that? Murder rates for the Caribbean:

U.S. Virgin Islands: 39 murders per 100,000
St. Kitts and Nevis: 38 per 100,000
Guatemala: 38 per 100,000
Colombia: 37 per 100,000
Belize: 30.8 per 100,000
Trinidad and Tobago: 35 per 100,000
Bahamas: 27.4 per 100,000
Puerto Rico (a Commonwealth of the United States): 26 per 100,000
Mexico: 24 per 100,000
Dominican Republic: 25 per 100,000
St. Lucia: 25 per 100,000
St. Vincent and The Grenadines: 22 per 100,000
Panama: 22 per 100,000
Dominica: 22 per 100,000

That's compared to about 4.7 per 100k in the US, which is considered high for the developed world.

I didn't bother checking African crime rates because I'm pretty confident you're wrong there.

By "majority places" were you referring to really small places like individual neighborhoods or something?

Comment: Re:Rich Family Dies, World At Peril!!! (Score 1) 178

by stdarg (#49750921) Attached to: DNA On Pizza Crust Leads To Quadruple Murder Suspect

Income inequality if the largest driver of murders. Homicide has a r=0.8 correlation with income inequality.

That study wasn't comparing income inequality to other drivers of murder so it's not evidence that it's the largest driver. Also the conclusion says:

however, the causal relationship between inequality, trust and homicide remains unclear given the cross-sectional design of this study

So maybe countries with high homicide rates result in a breakdown of social trust, and that lack of trust results in lack of investment and achievement among certain groups, leading to higher income inequality.

Comment: Re:Rich Family Dies, World At Peril!!! (Score 4, Interesting) 178

by stdarg (#49750659) Attached to: DNA On Pizza Crust Leads To Quadruple Murder Suspect

Of course police should apply more resources to high profile cases and areas where violent crimes are more rare.

My safe neighborhood, with zero murders ever, pays as much (or more) into the police budget as a violent neighborhood that has multiple murders a year.

If God forbid we do one day have a murder, I would expect cops to be all over that shit. We should be a much higher priority than the violent neighborhood because we've earned that priority.

That said, cops are largely idiots when it comes to dealing with problem areas. I don't know why they tolerate them so much, except the cynical view that they are more interested in making money than stopping crime. A great example is prostitution... why are they the clients of prostitutes? To make money. If they wanted to end coercive prostitution, they would do this:
1. Hire a prostitute
2. "Do it"
3. Refuse to pay
4. Wait for the enforcer/pimp/whoever to show up and make a threat
5. Shoot him (or arrest him)

There are far fewer pimps than prostitutes and clients. So attacking the pimps is the logical way to end it.

Instead their sting operations are to arrest the guys who DO pay as they're supposed to. WTF??

They could do something similar with drugs:
1. Buy drugs
2. Refuse to pay
3. Keep doing that
4. Wait for core violent element of the gang to come attack
5. Shoot them (or arrest them)

But nah, they'd rather set up a sting and arrest a couple users, or maybe a dealer so they can confiscate his property... pretty ridiculous.

Comment: Re:Again? (Score 1) 604

by stdarg (#49738959) Attached to: A Plan On How To Stop Sexism In Science

I'm not sure how you call a program targeted at girls non-discriminatory. That's blatant discrimination.

I mean there are plenty of prima facie race-neutral programs that are then labeled as discriminatory based on things like disparate impact. What Google and Facebook are doing goes far beyond inadvertent disparate impact. I don't agree with disparate impact theory when applied too broadly, but if there is disparate impact plus a clear intention to discriminate, that's another story.

Comment: Re:Well you want offensive ? (Score 4, Insightful) 604

by stdarg (#49698375) Attached to: A Plan On How To Stop Sexism In Science

Yeah, that's called inertia. In a real meritocracy, there'd be no inertia

Your definition of meritocracy is useless, because that's impossible. Even in the most perfect possible meritocracy, information only travels so fast (speed of light?), so not everybody can dump the erstwhile leader at the same instant. And of course, in reality, it takes much much longer. You don't know that GM's cars have suddenly become worthless for 5 or 6 years, because that's when they start breaking down.

Similarly, you don't know that Japanese cars have dramatically increased in quality because it took 20 years for people to start noticing "Hey there are all these 20 year old Toyota driving around, looking old and boxy, but still running great.. what's up."

How do you think you can get around the fact that measuring quality takes time? How does that fit into your definition of meritocracy having "no inertia?"

If (as you might contend) unions were dragging down the American automakers

No, you misunderstood, I was saying that the (surviving) American car companies showed skill in managing unions and politics. Perhaps that is the meritocracy... not who makes better cars, but who can survive in a hostile world. It takes some kind of skill to get a bailout, which is why Lehman Brothers isn't around, Countrywide isn't around, but Citibank is, Goldman is, etc.

Business isn't all about making the best product, in other words. The guy who makes a great product but can't keep up with his taxes, or mismanages labor and has all his workers go on strike, can still fail. That doesn't violate the concept of meritocracy because those are integral skills in business.

Never appeal to a man's "better nature." He may not have one. Invoking his self-interest gives you more leverage. -- Lazarus Long

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