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Comment: Re:Why do these people always have something to hi (Score 1) 348

by sideslash (#46805173) Attached to: VA Supreme Court: Michael Mann Needn't Turn Over All His Email
Read this paper:

http://www.climateaudit.info/pdf/mcintyre-heartland_2010.pdf

Ask yourself: is there anything wrong with Mann's "my way or the highway" attitude toward publishing in his niche area of research in Science Magazine? How can you possibly describe this as anything other than "cargo cult science"? To quote Mann's supervisor at the University of Virginia, to a Science Magazine editor, "Excuse me while I puke".

Comment: Re:Why do these people always have something to hi (Score 1) 348

by sideslash (#46798133) Attached to: VA Supreme Court: Michael Mann Needn't Turn Over All His Email
Maybe I just don't know how to work this stuff, but I wasn't aware you were replying since you're doing it as AC. I get notifications when a replier is logged in, so you might consider logging in if you want to continue the exchange.

Sorry, which investigations found that no emails were deleted? Please provide the reference, along with the convincing evidence that no emails were deleted. It was my understanding that there was no way to know the answer to that, and that in at least one investigation the investigators deliberately avoided asking if emails were deleted because they didn't want anybody to admit to a potential crime. (To anybody paying attention, the investigations were for the most part an exercise in "friends helping friends out," and not particularly interested in stirring any pot that might turn up scandal and academic disgrace.)

I'm guessing the evidence that no emails were deleted consists of... what... not finding any deleted emails? LOL! Stick around and I'll explain the concept of "deleting" to you.

Comment: Re:Why do these people always have something to hi (Score 1) 348

by sideslash (#46796451) Attached to: VA Supreme Court: Michael Mann Needn't Turn Over All His Email

(1) Where any emails deleted?

The place where they were deleted was from the inbox.

(2) Did you ever get the other side of the story

Yes.

(3) Smears the the fallback for not being able to make an academic argument.

Not sure what you're talking about here. Are you talking about your own smears you made earlier, when you used the phrases "kindergarten level thinking" and "absurdly stupid"? I can't see a good reason to smear the likes of Richard Lindzen and Steve McIntyre with such words. So why are you engaging in such smearing tactics, microbox?

Comment: Re:Why do these people always have something to hi (Score 1) 348

by sideslash (#46790621) Attached to: VA Supreme Court: Michael Mann Needn't Turn Over All His Email

If you read the article, it what was denied was unpublished research. The research the plaintiff's are challenging is available to them. He doesn't have to defend arguments that he hasn't made.

That makes perfect sense to you, because you're looking at it in terms of the AGW denier versus alarmist debate. But that really has nothing to do with the question of whether the FOIA should apply to unpublished research performed using public funds.

But of course the AGW debate is a fun way to look at it, too, and it cuts both ways. "Hide the decline" and all that. That email dump was a convenient (if unwilling) compliance with a bunch of unfulfilled FOIA requests.

Comment: Re:Why do these people always have something to hi (Score 1) 348

by sideslash (#46790585) Attached to: VA Supreme Court: Michael Mann Needn't Turn Over All His Email
You have a weird definition of "private life". This was his work, it's what he was paid public money to do. Why do you consider that his "private life"? Do you really think these are emails about [grand]childcare, restaurant reservations, and romantic interests, or are you just trolling?

Comment: Re:Why do these people always have something to hi (Score 0) 348

by sideslash (#46790529) Attached to: VA Supreme Court: Michael Mann Needn't Turn Over All His Email

And now here's the part that really bugs me:

Mann said after the ruling, “This is a victory for science...

No, it's not! Our high schools really need to do a better job teacher students what science is and not just memorizing the first 6 steps in the first week of class and then memorizing facts that were found using science (biology, chemistry etc). Just because in this case the other side who is trying to get your data has even less understanding of what science is (and will no doubt intentionally misconstrue your data) does not mean this is a victory for science. There is no concept of proprietary knowledge in science, quite the opposite in fact.

This. Thank you. Only cargo cult science finds victory in hiding its underlying thought processes and justifications from public view. Not saying that Mann's beliefs about AGW are wrong, but that his behavior at various points has demonstrated a profound lack of and disregard for scientific openness.

Comment: Re:Why do these people always have something to hi (Score 0) 348

by sideslash (#46789997) Attached to: VA Supreme Court: Michael Mann Needn't Turn Over All His Email

Do you want all your email and documents published to the public? If not, what do you have to hide?

It's not clear to me how the FOIA would apply to the AC's posts. And scientific transparency is a desirable aim, but not the basis of the legal case here. The FOIA is about getting access to stuff the public paid for. Odd to see someone arguing on Slashdot in favor of publicly funded academic research being kept from the public.

Comment: Re:"What I find interesting is how..." (Score 1) 1617

by sideslash (#46769745) Attached to: Retired SCOTUS Justice Wants To 'Fix' the Second Amendment
In this context, "go away" is an expression that approximately means "let's mod this down into oblivion", which is exactly what happened (so far).

You are making some decent points (some, not all of which I agree with), but the original poster was just advocating blind deference to academics. In this context, that is the wrong answer, as any doofus in civics class could tell you.

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