pudge's Journal: Morons

If you're listening to a rock star in order to get your information on who to vote for, you're a bigger moron than they are. Why are we rock stars? Because we're morons. We sleep all day, we play music at night and very rarely do we sit around reading the Washington Journal.

So sayeth Alice Cooper.

The best part about this quote is that there is no "Washington Journal" for them to read anyway.

Wow!

[FortKnox]

Its one thing for someone like me to say that, but Alice Cooper? Sweet!!

Now if some well respected actor can do the same thing....

Re:Wow!

[turg]

Are you calling Alice Cooper well-respected?

he must mean

[sulli]

the National Journal [nationaljournal.com], the classic ultra-insider rag. Who knew that Alice Cooper was a closet policy wonk?

Re:Cliassic!

[pudge]

The thing is, it's disengenous to exclude all musicians just because they're musicians.

But more often than not, society INCLUDES musicians JUST BECAUSE they're musicians. That's the problem he is speaking to. Blink 182 gets up on a stage and says "vote Kerry! Bush led us into an illegal war!" and expect anyone to give a crap *just because* they are Blink 182. Both are wrong, but I'd rather exclude them because they are musicians than include them for the same, because we won't be missing anything ev

Re:Cliassic!

[robi2106]

Personally, I think Radio Talkshow hosts should not be allowed the influence they have because most of them take far too many pills to make sense, and unthinking conservative minded Americans eat up what they say no matter how little sense they make in the process.

That is interesting because I happen to think celebrity Hollywood types should not be allowed the influense they have because most of them take far too many pills to make sense, and unthinking liberally minded Americas eat up what they say no ma

Exactly.

[Scott Lockwood]

That's exactly the point I was making - that freedom of speech is paramount when political speech is involved. Be educated, think critically, make decisions accordingly. If you can do those 3 things, then it doesn't matter what Rush says, or what Al Frankin says. It doesn't matter what Alice Cooper, or Bono, or anyone says - make up your own mind. Concordantly, it makes no sense to shut them up - they should be allowed to speak, because an informed populace will make the right decision anyway. Don't blame t

Re:Cliassic!

[cascadefx]

I totally agree. There are plenty of rock stars that ARE very well informed and can lead people to good resources about a number of issues.

Heck, there are policy wonks who aren't all that well-informed either and people still listen to then.

Don't do something because someone tells you so. However, someone who awakens you to a cause and gives you plenty of information to decide for yourself is worth listening in the future... Rock Star, Actor, Painter, Butcher, Baker, Candelstick Maker, or not.

Dixie Chicks

[piano]

We all know how the Right shrugged it off when the Dixie Chicks said they were ashamed to be from Texas. What goes around comes around. You don't have to read the National Journal to see what Bush has done to our economy and our military preparedness, or to know that he still hasn't captured Bil Laden.

Re:Dixie Chicks

[pudge]

We all know how the Right shrugged it off when the Dixie Chicks said they were ashamed to be from Texas. What goes around comes around.

What came around, that is going around? I don't understand what you're referring to.

You don't have to read the National Journal to see what Bush has done to our economy

Made it better.

and our military preparedness

Managed a difficult situation very well.

or to know that he still hasn't captured Bil Laden.

And there's no reason to think anyone else would have captu

off topic??!?

[piano]

The Dixie Chicks are musicians talking about politics, your subject.

Refering to the obviousness of effects on the economy and military preparedness and goals not requiring study of political journals direcly pertains to your Alice Cooper quote.

How could I possibly be any more on topic?

Do you just call arguments that you don't want to hear "off topic" -- is that it?

Re:off topic??!?

[pudge]

Refering to the obviousness of effects on the economy and military preparedness and goals not requiring study of political journals direcly pertains to your Alice Cooper quote.

No, it really didn't. You were using it as an excuse to bash Bush.

How could I possibly be any more on topic?

By not talking about things that are not off topic.

Meta-discussions are also off-topic, though I do indulge requests for clarification, as I have now done.

Re:off topic??!?

[Jhon]

Ok... I have to admit when I first read you calling him off topic, I didn't see how.

Reading your reasoning and re-reading the JE, I can kinda see it -- but the topic lends itself to talk about celebs political commentary. 'pianos' commentary (which you cite as bashing Bush) seemed tossed in for emphasis -- but in my opinion it was said in a way that would lead to an off topic discussion.

BUT, talking about staying on topic certainly is moving the discussion OFF topic as the attempts to stay on topic is n

Julie Burchill

[bettiwettiwoo]

From Julie Burchill, Silly show-offs against Saddam!, [guardian.co.uk] Guardian Unlimited, Saturday March 1, 2003:

... For me, one strand of marchers [in the anti-war-in-Iraq demonstrations of early 2003] was way out in front when it came to playing host to those uninvited but gluttonous guests, hypocrisy and decadence. It was surreal to see the best part of a million people marching in support of denying other people the very freedom they were smugly celebrating. But what really brought a tear (of mirth) to the eye, and a