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Journal pudge's Journal: Court Supports President's Right to Warrantless Wiretapping 3

A lot of people have been chatting about how the court smacked down Bush this week, with strong and unequivocal language. And it did. But another court, one much closer to the situation, appears to me to disagree.

As the Wikipedia article correctly notes, in 2002 the FISA Court of Review "also noted (but made no judgment regarding) 'the President's inherent constitutional authority to conduct warrantless foreign intelligence surveillance' which relates to part of the government justification in the NSA warrantless surveillance controversy."

But the Court went further than merely noting the inherent authority; it said Congress could not limit that authority: "We take for granted that the President does have that authority and, assuming that is so, FISA could not encroach on the President's constitutional power." That's pretty strong language, too.

Again, I do not know if the President has this inherent authority, or whether Congress can encroach on it. And if I had to make the choice, I'd say Congress should be able to so "encroach." But I want to find out what the law, what the Constitution, requires here, not what I prefer, and legal minds far greater than mine -- or, likely, yours, if you're reading this -- disagree.

I plan to read this week's decision carefully at some point, but I am far more interested in what Roberts, Scalia, Thomas, Alito, Kennedy, Breyer, Souter, Ginsberg, and Stevens (hey, I did that from memory!) have to say. And I think we will find out.

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Court Supports President's Right to Warrantless Wiretapping

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  • The court is talking about Commander in Chief powers that belong to no other branch of the government but the Executive.

    Commanding the military, including determining the makeup and disposition of the enemy are inherant, exclusive Executive Branch powers.

    The Congress may wish to not appropriate funds or restrict funds in an attempt to thwart the CIC, they may attempt to impeach, they can refuse to approve promotions, they can do indirect things but they can not run the military.

    No war declaration is necessa
    • by pudge ( 3605 ) *
      Commanding the military, including determining the makeup and disposition of the enemy are inherant, exclusive Executive Branch powers.

      But we have a long history of the legislature putting limits on how police power is executed in this country. What makes this different, it seems to me, is that it is a border issue, since all of these calls being tapped are international, between the U.S. and another country.
      • by GMontag ( 42283 )
        Yes, the details you give are about activity outside the USA.

        Now, if an enemy is operating within our borders the President still has inherant powers to combat them too. Some people think that this automatically becomes a police matter. That is incorrect.

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