Journal pudge's Journal: Blame Game 20
- You have no real idea what has been done and not been done in regard to the flood victims. No, you don't, and stop arguing with me. All you have are anecdotes. Helping this person over here on TV who is screaming for help would mean that the people over there not on TV won't get help.
- And because the government and volunteers cannot save everyone at once -- hundreds of thousands of people in need -- the government has implored all of us over the last few years to be ready in case of disaster. For example, everyone who has necessary prescription medication should have enough on hand to last through at least a week of an emergency. When you're told to evacuate, do it. Bring water and food and clothing for yourself and your family.
(And this should be a big wake-up call to the rest of us to prepare ourselves.)
- You have no clue whatsoever if this was in any way related to global warming, let alone if it was caused by man.
- There is only one government that was ultimately responsible for the levees, and for emergency personnel, and it's not the one over a thousand miles away from New Orleans. It's Louisiana's responsibility, and theirs alone. "The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State," and all that.
Not that there is not blame to go around. I'm sure there is. But there's far more being heaped around than is justified, and what blame is justified, we don't comprehend at this early stage.
It's easy to blame. Especially when you feel angry and helpless. But just because you feel angry and helpless doesn't mean that someone else is to blame for it.
Don't bother (Score:1, Flamebait)
Ancedotes my ass
To be fair on of Louisiana's Senators along with the Governor seemed to have the management-by-press conference problem that the Federal officals were having.
At the v
Re:Don't bother (Score:2)
put down the DNC talking points you can't spin this.
Honestly, I've not listened to anything any politician or government official has said about this. I simply don't care what they have to say. I just see what is actually happening, and I see people casting blame without actually knowing what is going on.
Ancedotes my ass
Re:Don't bother (Score:1, Flamebait)
Sorry but you can't fucking play the game of telling state and local officials as well as the public at large for years that certain things would be handled by the Feds and then excuse dropping the ball when the crisis happens by saying "well this really isn't the Federal Government's job".
I'm sorry but if this isn't the Federal Government's job then just what the fuck is? To me this would be like telling Florida it was on its own if Cuba invaded. If you really think the Feds have n
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What's next going in the database and setting my karma to -5000 so I can't post comments anymore?
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Sorry but you can't fucking play the game of telling state and local officials as well as the public at large for years that certain things would be handled by the Feds and then excuse dropping the ball when the crisis happens by saying "well this really isn't the Federal Government's job".
Well, you say it right there, don't you? They were told "for years" the feds would handle it. But the feds didn't. Everyone in Louisiana (presumably) agreed it needed to be done, but couldn'
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It's probably one of his other readers who hasn't posted in this topic. Honestly. I got modded flamebait as well, heck this whole topic is full of flaming, but eh... we all know the mod system doesn't work, and we all have plenty of karma, so what does it matter?
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No matter how heated an argument may get I actually haven't seen you do things like that. I especially haven't seen you abuse your administrative role and I'm sorry I implied you might.
Re:No spin (Score:2)
Yes he is.
He never has been.
He always has been.
He FLEW over the site of a major disaster 2 days after the fact
I don't consider pointless symbolism to be leadership, nor lack of it to be lack of leadership. I did not consider what he did in NYC following 9/11, standing up and giving an impromptu speech, to be leadership, either: I considered getting legislation done for the Patriot Act and his work on the invasion of Afghanistan to be leadership.
spending the previous 2 days on vacation.
Re:No spin (Score:2)
We still have no idea where we're going to put all of these people!
And? Whose fault is that, and why? Who COULD have had a viable and immediately implementable plan for relocation hundreds of thousands of people? How is it even possible to have such a plan?
After the fact, economically we see no move towards price controls and rationing in the interim until refining and shipping capacity is restored, to keep business from profiteering off what is a national tragedy.
Actually, Bush said
Re:No spin (Score:1)
A pathetic excuse for one. And he always has been, this has just shown it through and through. Perhaps I have impossible standards of leadership, but they are definately higher than yours. We've conversed on such topics quite a bit and you know where I've stood. So take such statements with whatever amount of salt you need. These kinds of events test ones metal, and Bush's has been found sorely lacking. Disagreeing with that prior statement btw puts you into a very small minority.
I don't con
Re:No spin (Score:2)
He's certainly not the best leader ever, but I guess we'll just have to disagree. No point in arguing about it.
Disagreeing with that prior statement btw puts you into a very small minority.
Since when has THAT mattered?
Symbolism is a PART of leadership
Yes, but
Re:No spin (Score:1)
We can plan the exceptionally complex logistics of waging a WW2 scale war on two seperate hostile fronts and have a reasonable chance of success, but we can't have a viable plan to move several hundred thousand people in our own backyard? Come on pudge.
Yes, they do. This is self-evidently true. How else does the federal
Re:No spin (Score:2)
What I am saying is that hundreds of thousands of people need new homes for at least several months, and prior to this disaster happening, we could not possibly have had those homes lined up and waiting (unless, of course, we actually built, years ago, a whol
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Increasing prices due to laws of supply and demand is a different thing than profiteering. Proifteering may very well be going on, but simply looking at a price increase that could very well reflect the oil companies' efforts to maintain a normal profit margin is insufficient to prove the point.
What do you think profiteering is pudge? It's completely in line with the capitalist gods of supply and demand, as is price gouging. The argument is, that you do not
Re:No spin (Score:2)
No. Increasing your prices to maintain your profit margin is not profiteering, and is not, generally considered, unethical. Taking advantage of a disaster to make *additional* profit is considered unethical, and profiteering.
Now, you may think they s
hmm... (Score:2)
As you note, but seem to brush aside, you don't know that they are really being helped either. It does sound bad, though, when Chertoff is giving an interview to NPR and says that there is no place where thousands of people