pudge's Journal: Dealing with the UN

WFB on how to deal with the UN. He wrote this a couple of years ago. I like the third option he gives. Basically, don't vote on the Security Council on any political question (which is most of them), which effectively vetoes the measure. Subvert from within.

I wonder if this is part of what Bush has in mind with Bolton. I doubt Bush will go that far, though, especially since he is in the mood to play nice with Europe these days.

Bolton?

[sulli]

That no-talent assclown?

Re:Bolton?

[pudge]

When I read your subject, I hoped that is what your comment would say. :-)

Re:Bolton?

[sulli]

Is there really anything else one can say on the subject? :-)

no votes

[JDizzy]

That text is old now, but interesting still.

I'm not so sure I agree with the conclusions, or rather hopeful forecasting into the realm of speculation. Bush certainly can instruct the state dept to pull off the no vote thing, but that doesn't mean the other countries have to play along. Or maybe I don't understand. If the USA doesn't vote any more security Council resolutions(political ones), just debates them, but NO votes.... does that me we are vetoing all resolutions?

I fear that would give pseudo hosti

Re:no votes

[pudge]

NO votes.... does that me we are vetoing all resolutions?


Yes. There is technically no such thing as a veto in the UN Security Council; rather, the affirmative vote of all of the permanent members of the Council is required for passage. So it is effectively the same thing as a veto.

Re:no votes

[RevMike]

There is technically no such thing as a veto in the UN Security Council; rather, the affirmative vote of all of the permanent members of the Council is required for passage. So it is effectively the same thing as a veto.

I'm not sure of this? I thought that the Soviet Union abstained which allowed the US to organize the UN authority in Korea? I think an explicit "No" vote by a permanent member constitutes constitutes a veto, but that a permanent member could abstain.

Re:no votes

[pudge]

Article 27 of the UN charter says:

Each member of the Security Council shall have one vote.

Decisions of the Security Council on procedural matters shall be made by an affirmative vote of nine members.

Decisions of the Security Council on all other matters shall be made by an affirmative vote of nine members including the concurring votes of the permanent members; provided that, in decisions under Chapter VI, and under paragraph 3 of Article 52, a party to a dispute shall abstain from voting.

There is nothi