Still different distribution channels. Usually, even if they tie into the same fiber bundle at some point, telephone data is usually isolated from normal internet traffic. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but on the commercial voice end telephone still gets it's own fibers and will still have it's own powered huts for tying into old fashioned analog phones, even if the back/switching end it IP.

NEED MORE COFFEE

VIS is the Apollo/early shuttle era system DVIS replaced, and also why the touchscreen devices DVIS uses for terminals are called "keysets" despite the lack of having any keys or buttons of any type. VIS had a pile of push buttons.

No, the system DVIS is being replaced by is called DVICE, it's using copper. It also has touchscreens, only instead of the really old "break the beam" screens it has what I think is a resistive touch screen, but I'm not 100% on the type.

For regular voice it's not really a problem, but for other things it can be, fortunately those are going away also.

The problem is digital voice. IP Voice service almost always has some compression and decompression involved which creates a delay between a word being spoken and being heard. This is why you get an echo instead of feedback when you have your buddy has his speakers up to high on a Skype call. Usually not much of an issue, but I have noticed an increase in trying to talk over the top of one another since voice has gone IP. Used to the near instantaneous transmission the older equipment had let you pick up on ques from the other side that allowed for more politeness.

This doesn't matter much to most people, but it's why NASA went with analog over fiber for the DVIS system (which I have a minor role in supporting at JSC) and why the VIS system we are slowly replacing it with also doesn't use "normal" compressed IP, we're going back to copper on VIS.

It's also going to have an affect on modems. I know most consumers don't use modems anymore and even most business uses have gone away, but there are still some uses here and there, credit card processing, backup connections etc.. The transition to IP for sound can be the work/not work on a less than stellar connection otherwise.

I personally think going to IP is great, but I felt the need to play devils advocate for just a moment.

Are you a professional apologist or just a fan boy?

You obviously don't read Slashdot much, and you pretend Codecs are hardwired, and to top it off you reply with as though specific dates you outlined were required in order for my statement to be relevant in an attempt to confuse the issue.

and Nokia

APPLE FUD keeps it proprietary

AGAINST APPLES PROTEST Nokia is the bigger part of this one

http://apple.slashdot.org/story/11/09/23/2128254/the-looming-video-codec-fight

http://apple.slashdot.org/story/10/06/06/1344256/apples-html5-and-standards-gallery-not-standard

http://apple.slashdot.org/story/11/07/13/1430232/w3c-chastises-apple-on-html5-patenting

Citation enough for you?

You're probably right. OS X is just so much more difficult to figure out than Linux, Windows 9x, some NT Variant, or BSD. My God, how do all of these hipsters with their liberals arts degrees ever even get this Über difficult OS to run at all? In the middle of a coffee shop no less!

My pet projects?

You mean Ogg/Vorbis? Ogg/Theora? Some sort of CODEC to make a web standard that wasn't proprietary? I wouldn't call making the web useful to everyone was a pet project, yet Apple led the charge on making sure the officially selected default format would not be open.

I stand corrected - mostly. The company needs to drop his vendettas now that he's gone. They can keep a very respectful and profitable company while protecting their IP without the vendettas.

I've had three different iPhones, an original, my 16GB 3G and the 8GB 3G I bought used to replace the 16GB one I broke. I now have an Evo 4G.

They are both great phones for different reasons and other than the fact they both have touch interfaces and cover the same basic functions they're nothing alike. When I first started using Android there was quite a learning curve. I had to get used to the "pull down shutter" interface at the top (which I now love BTW), I had to get used to the applications existing not just on multiple desktops if I so desire but in an actual application "drawer". My Android phone multi-task. The music interface is inferior to the iPhone, but it plays Ogg/Vorbis and I even figured out how to embed album covers in the file and make them display. The lack of being stuck with only Apple approved formats an iTunes was a huge improvement to me.

Maybe the Google guys did run off with a couple of iPhone ideas, but as a consumer who's used both the two platforms are incredibly different and the Google stuff on my old iPhone is a lot of what made my old iPhone usable - it's not like Apple's never taken anyone else's idea.

The anti-Android vendetta needs to stop.

The Pystar / Mac Clone thing, meh, could go either way, I think they have a debatable case there (yes, they won the debate, I'm talking about my perspective).

Intentionally setting iPhones to brick if you try to break the bootloader is just incredibly prickish and even though I'm not sure if they should be civilly liable for that or not I still think Steve and others on his staff making sure it happened needed to be repeatedly kicked in the nuts for making that happen. Really, once you sell it to someone else it's not yours anymore.

No, you knife someone, you marry a rich guy (I'm leaving out details on that), even after being convicted of felonies and including drug use you use the rich guy to buy the kid the other two have in common from the court system by fighting a seven year court battle against a guy who has security clearances from three different three letter federal agencies.

Nope, you become a good enough sociopath you get your way on everything, especially if you go up against someone who has a moral platform that prevents them from using underhanded tactics.

Personal dealings. I gave up on Apple over it and I have run into other people who've said the same, but it seems to be an issue no one else cares about, or it may have been something to do with trying to use non-Apple approved generic external housings and off the shelf desktop drives. Works great on non-Apple and it may even work fine on Lion or possibly even later patches of Snow Leopard. Apple lost me over it so I don't know anymore.