mercedo's Journal: Value of Life

Rousseau tells us there are two births for us.

..One is a delivery and the second birth is after we aquire Self usually after we come of age.

Life ought to be a biological concept at any moment, however, according to various phases life faces, as a matter of fact the value of life varies.

Biologically life is equal, but the value of it differs according to stages of development in individual life. Again life is a social concept, though ought to be a biological concept in theory, in ideal. So only after the second birth we are bestowed another value in our life. Not before.

Among aborted 1.6 millon, we might have found another Einstein, as well as another Hitler. Nobody can tell at the time of abortion, what would become of aborted child in their future, if they are delivered.

I mean we might have killed another Einstein, but at the same time we might have killed another Hitler. In this case we had done it most succesfully. Nipped in the bud.

That's all what we could say, which neither deter nor encourage our development.

Our standpoint in society is that we can't say anything about something that cannot predict at the time done something definitive.

Nothing can change its uncertainty.

However I agree. we hope we shall have a better society where we don't have to abort our babies any more.

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[freejung]

we hope we shall have a better society where we don't have to abort our babies any more.

I think that's very insightful. We need to look for the social causes that create the situation of abortion in the first place. Trying to stop the symptom by making it illegal will not help, since people will just do it illegally. You have to look for the cause, and try to solve that.

This is typical of the difference between liberal and conservative approaches. Conservatives, in my view, tend to look at the symptom a

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[mercedo]

As you mentioned above there are two ways for resolving the problem-one is surgical and the other is internal medicinal- if we use the medical term.

As you noticed, the current administration has been approaching the problems by surgical measures, we like or not.

9/11 was an exteremely horrible thing. How they act if it was under the another administration we are not sure. The another administration might have done the same thing. More harshly? We are not totally sure...

I think people in current administr

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[freejung]

Interesting perspective. I think, in the long term, you will find that Bush is not doing you any favors. But we will see.

I think perhaps you are from Japan? The situation in East Asia is very interesting to the Bush administration. I think their great fear is that East Asia will form a powerful economic block to compete with the US. I think they will move to stop this, and they are willing to let the dollar collapse if that's what it takes to slow down economic growth in Asia.

But we will see.

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[mercedo]

China's economy has been growing very rapidly-10% plus by year.

China is now substantially a capitalist country-state capitalism instead of using the term state socialism. In fact China's coastal area has been showing some similarity with East Asia capitalist countries, in landscape, in social structure, in fashion, mode...

China's geographically unbelievably near to Japan.

But chasm between two countries is not very easy to be filled.

-Fortunately, unlike the cases of other two adjacent countries, big deep

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[Tikiman]

Trying to stop the symptom by making it illegal will not help, since people will just do it illegally.

If abortions are made illegal, they would drop from over a million legal ones to probably several thousand illegal ones. Just look what Roe vs Wade did to abortion rates to get an idea of the effect of legal abortion-on-demand. If you think the abortion "problem" is that abortion is a homicide, making it outright illegal would go a long way to fixing it.

Now with regard to other issues, you have a point

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[mercedo]

In every aspect, your opinion is getting the point. Making prostitution illegal is irrelevant to society without fixing social issues. Making abortion illegal is unnecessary because there are no social issues to fix. Pro-choice is for women who want to keep their lifestyle-25.5% and women who cannot afford babies-21.3%. As long as people like you occupy majority, abortion is not going to be illegal. Safe.

By the way, abortion was widely held, though, abortion itself was illegal in Japan. It was widely held

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[Tikiman]

As long as people like you occupy majority, abortion is not going to be illegal. Safe.

I'm not entirely sure I'm understanding what you are trying to say - I am most definitely against abortion in general, specifically how our culture treats abortion as a constitutional right. There is no reason why abortion can't be safe under narrow conditions, described below. Japan's Maternal Protection Law seems like a good law because it narrowly defines when an abortion is appropriate, but it is impossible for su

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[mercedo]

I am most definitely against abortion in general.

Me too. It was needless to say.

it is not necessary to make abortion a fundamental constitutional right to allow women to have an abortion in this narrow instance.

Exactly. I am simply against an abortion making illegal.

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[mercedo]

Japan's Maternal Protection Law seems like a good law because it narrowly defines when an abortion is appropriate, but it is impossible for such a law to be passed in the United States.

I thought it was abolished several years ago, but only name changed and still in force.

(1) For the health of the mother, this is, in my mind, a very legitimate case for an abortion.(2)... genetic screening, this is very morally shaky.(3) A woman was raped. This is the harded position for a pro-life person to defend.

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