mercedo's Journal: The Language In Logics

What features one language is not an word order but a word itself. There are tens of thousands of words -vocaburary in many languages though the number of word order is so limited. That said, there are some languages whose word order is closer to the logical order and others that does not follow the logical order.

For example, how about 'This is not a pen.' ?

In English we say 'This is not a pen', but how about Japanese, they say 'This a pen is not. ' Both in English and Japanese, 'not' negates 'is' positioned just before the word 'not', but believe me the word 'not' in English order also negates the following chunk( a loaf of words)- 'a pen' too. In both languages, 'this' exists so we don't have to negate the word 'this', but if we negate the chunk ' a pen ', we ought not to put the word 'not' after the word 'pen'. In the same reason, here we must say the most logical word order is 'This not is a pen.' The word 'not' negates 'is a pen', not only 'is' but also 'a pen'.

I must say the English word order is much closer to the logical word order as opposed to Japanese word order that is more closer to the most illogical word order.

[The] chicken vs [the] egg

[daniil]

The question you forgot to ask is, does language base on logics, or is it the other way around? Another interesting question is, can there be only one 'logical order', or can there be many different ones?

Re:[The] chicken vs [the] egg

[mercedo]

For Japanese people, European languages are much closer to each other and also by far closer to logical order. Certainly the Latin languages -Spanish, French, Italian seemed to be closer but I must say English, German, French are so different, for example, in Latin word order they usually put adjectives after the noun but in English adjectives are positioned before the noun, which is logical? I think it is in the case of Latin languages.

Another example, aside rom the apparent etymological similarities, whe

Re:[The] chicken vs [the] egg

[FidelCatsro]

Most languages are burden with legacy support and weird quirks ,we just need to scrap the lot and create a new fresh system .

I propose a new alphabet
a b d e f g h i j k l m n o p r s t u v w z

c ,q ,x ,y can pretty much be replaced with k /s, kw , z/ek, i/eu respectivly

Re:[The] chicken vs [the] egg

[mercedo]

That's a good idea.

Mainly liguists argue that the spelling ought to be kept since it is related to etymological meaning. For example 'light' 'right' both are spelt 'licht' 'richt' in German, so we can know many words are ascended from German words, so?

Many words are used without considering about their origin but used as just a sign, words can have meaning only in their sentences, not in their history.

Etymologically speaking, alphabet was much smaller than now. I think it's 22 originally. 'j' was derived

Re:[The] chicken vs [the] egg

[FidelCatsro]

Spelling needs to be done in universal phonetics , so it is insanely easy to remember after you understand simplified phonetics.
Many linguists are a stuck in their ways, we have records and can still track the course of our language without complicating it for everyone . I can't remember the Greek alphabet anymore (haven't really gone over this stuff for years ) but i do believe it was around 20-22

I see no pen.

[myslashdotusername]

The pen does not exist. There is no pen. I am not a pen. You insensitive clod, that's no pen, it's my _____! Are you a man dreaming of being a pen, or a pen dreaming of being a man?

Re:I see no pen.

[mercedo]

Interesting. I have no word to return.