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Comment: Re:do they have a progressive view? (Score 1) 336

by madbrain (#46793211) Attached to: Detroit: America's Next Tech Boomtown

You may want to read the Windsor ruling more carefully, it does not say what you stated.

DOMA section was overturned, which means the federal government must recognize same-sex marriages of couples that were married in states or countries that allow it.

Many of the state constitutional bans on same-sex marriage weren't enacted directly by voters, but by the legislatures. The Windsor case says nothing about the voters in each state.

The Supreme Court also let stand a ruling about Prop 8, which found that a state ban on same-sex marriage in California, directly voted on by the California electorate, was unconstitutional.

The 2 rulings are not in contradiction. Both will be used to overturn many of the remaining state constitutional bans on same-sex marriage.

Comment: Re:I May Not Agree (Score 1) 1116

by madbrain (#46709959) Attached to: Mozilla CEO Firestorm Likely Violated California Law

It was certainly not one activist judge that overturned Prop 22, the predecessor to Prop 8.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage_in_California

First, there was a trial court decision .

"On March 14, 2005, Judge Kramer ruled that California statutes limiting marriage to opposite-sex couples were unconstitutional."

This decision was then overturned, in a 2-1 ruling.
"he state and organizations opposed to same-sex marriage appealed. Division Three of the First District Court of Appeal held extended oral argument on the cases on July 10, 2006, before a three-judge panel. In a 2-to-1 decision, the appellate court overturned the lower court"

Finally, there was a California Supreme Court decision, which is made of 7 judges. That ruling went 4-3 .

I count one trial court judge, one appellate court judge, and four California supreme Court judges, that were on the side of finding Prop 22 unconstitutional.

Also, do you think it was "activist judges" that overturned anti-miscegenation laws in 1967 nationwide, in a unanimous 9-0 ruling in "Loving vs Virginia" ?
I guess you want those laws back on the books, too .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loving_v._Virginia

Comment: Re:Straight Privilege (Score 1) 1116

by madbrain (#46702341) Attached to: Mozilla CEO Firestorm Likely Violated California Law

I meant that same-sex couples already had the legal right to get married in California before Prop 8, in 2008. And 18,000 of those couples had weddings.
You can italicize the word all you want, but a civil wedding ceremony is just as legally valid.

The couples never had the legal right to a "civil union", which never existed in California.

Comment: Re:I May Not Agree (Score 1) 1116

by madbrain (#46702313) Attached to: Mozilla CEO Firestorm Likely Violated California Law

The donation directly contributed to stripping LGBT Californians from the right to marry, a right they already had.

It wasn't just an indication of Eich's opinion.

While Obama wasn't in favor of granting rights of same-sex couples to marry in states where they didn't have them, he also never called for taking those rights away in states that did.

That is an important distinction, in my mind.

Comment: Re:I May Not Agree (Score 1) 1116

by madbrain (#46701641) Attached to: Mozilla CEO Firestorm Likely Violated California Law

"old status quo" ? Interesting choice of words. It just doesn't work that way. Prop 8 was unique in taking existing rights away.

If Prop 8 had tried to bring back racial segregation in marriage, instead of bringing back gender discrimination in marriage, would it be right to call him a bigot or not ?

IMO, once he donated to the hateful Prop 8 campaign to take rights away, the onus was on him to prove that he wasn't a bigot. But he refused to address anything about his past political action.

As someone who is in an interracial, same-sex marriage in California, I don't see a difference there. Bigotry is bigotry, whether it's racism or anti-gay bigotry.

Comment: Re:Straight Privilege (Score 1) 1116

by madbrain (#46701481) Attached to: Mozilla CEO Firestorm Likely Violated California Law

Actually same-sex couples already had legal recognition in California before Prop 8.

Prop 8 took away the right of same-sex couples to get married.

http://voterguide.sos.ca.gov/past/2008/general/title-sum/prop8-title-sum.htm

ELIMINATES RIGHT OF SAME–SEX COUPLES TO MARRY. INITIATIVE CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT.

After Prop 8 passed, proponents also tried to retroactively divorce existing same-sex couples.

Comment: Re:Interesting Quote (Score 1) 1116

by madbrain (#46701471) Attached to: Mozilla CEO Firestorm Likely Violated California Law

He wasn't a recent hire though. He was a founder. He was promoted from CTO to CEO.

The board knew about his donation to Prop 8 two years ago. There was no major backlash at that time when he was still only CTO.
The backlash started after his promotion to CEO.

He was not fired, but his resignation certainly resulted from the pressure of the boycott.

Comment: Re:I think the conversation here is missing the po (Score 1) 1116

by madbrain (#46701435) Attached to: Mozilla CEO Firestorm Likely Violated California Law

Sure, it is your right to call the backlash hate, but that doesn't really make it so.

If that's hate, I'd love to know what you call the "Yes on 8" video ads that called gays dangerous to children, etc ?

http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2014/04/04/brendan_eich_supported_prop_8_which_was_worse_than_you_remember.html

Please watch them before answering.

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