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Comment: Re:This is kinda gross. (Score 0) 564

by Guppy06 (#46672645) Attached to: Was Eich a Threat To Mozilla's $1B Google "Trust Fund"?

15 years of "everything's fine?" Or simply 15 years of employees quietly being passed over for promotion, implicitly encouraged to seek employment elsewhere, and not wanting to jeopardize a professional reference? Nobody ever lost a job by not complaining about their workplace environment.

Workplace discrimination and a hostile work environment are by their nature self-perpetuating and are often subtle enough to go unaddressed and unchecked for years as victims desire to avoid "rocking the boat" and jeopardizing both their present and future employment.

Any appearance of bigotry so high up the chain of command cannot be tolerated if an organization truly wishes to be inclusive. Letting him continue to hold his prior position of authority unchecked after his bigotry came to light was a mistake; promoting him simply compounded the long-festering problem.

Comment: Re:And yet they supported Obama (Score 2) 564

by Guppy06 (#46672191) Attached to: Was Eich a Threat To Mozilla's $1B Google "Trust Fund"?

We

Oooh, "grassroots!"

searched the federal campaign-contribution database and found that Yagan gave...$500 to then-Sen. Barack Obama’s 2008 presidential campaign who also opposed gay marriage at the time.

He also opposed preemptively bombing Iran and didn't choose Sarah Palin as a running mate. Most political candidates don't run on a single issue. Did the campaign check specifically have "Fuck the gays!" written in the memo?

According to Wikipedia, 7,001,084 people voted for Prop 8. Why do any of those people still have jobs? Shouldn’t they all be forced to resign?

Depends on if they all hypocritically run companies that claim to strive for diversity.

One reason why rich white guys like Eich are being targeted so viciously is that the many black churches who supported Proposition 8 — and, indeed, put it over the top — are out-of-bounds for criticism.

And since it's the only "reason" you listed it's the only reason that matters? Besides, unlike Eich here, "the black churches" (as well as churches of other, less sinister colors) have tended to recant prior support and joined organizations such as the NAACP working towards equality.

True, he didn’t support Prop 8 or other attempts to legally ban SSM (a strong signal at the time that his stated view was a lie),

Or, y'know, federalism.

Comment: Re:Freedom of political activism (Score 1) 1746

by Guppy06 (#46671187) Attached to: Brendan Eich Steps Down As Mozilla CEO

With Mozilla giving benefits to same-sex couples and having outreach programs for homosexuals, it is hard to see how an anti-gay culture could build up.

Written policies, outreach programs and benefits such as maternity leave certainly haven't put an end to gender-based employment discrimination, but they do make a good whitewash.

And, it is impossible for such a culture to build invisibly

It doesn't need to be invisible, it just needs to avoid prosecution ("It's just a coincidence that H-1B's under the age of 30 were the best qualified candidates for the job.")

these days ideological hiccups regarding homosexuality are cast out.

Who gets "cast out" depends entirely on who's at the top.

If and when Eich harmed an employee, that employe could be unable to legally prove his case, but could easily make the case public, thus causing Eich's demise.

And that whistle-blower will never be hired by anybody else again. All future potential employers will "just happen" to find a better-qualified candidate than someone with a history of antagonizing their employers.

Ideas need to be debated based on their merits, not on punisment and reward.

"Meritable ideas" don't pay for rent or buy groceries. The CEO has, for all practical purposes, unlimited power to mete out punishment and reward, and with such great power must come great scrutiny.

The ballot is secret for a reason, and small donations should be secret too.

$1000 is more than the average American makes in a week.

Comment: Re:This is kinda gross. (Score 1) 564

by Guppy06 (#46671001) Attached to: Was Eich a Threat To Mozilla's $1B Google "Trust Fund"?

we are ALL bigots at one point or another

But we don't all drop $1k in support of our bigotry and then get all squirmy when asked if we still feel the same way. George Wallace was more repentant.

So tell me, the last time that you avoided going to church on the weekend, where you not a anti-religious bigot?

I don't support efforts to deny others the ability to worship if, when and how they choose.

How about when you voted I, or D, or R?

I don't support efforts to criminalize being a member of a political party.

And in this case, since Eich explicitly gave to a political group

A single-issue advocacy group that sought nothing other than to disenfranchise a minority.

rather than giving a speech, or protesting, or handing out flyers

He paid for the venues and the fliers.

Comment: Re:This is kinda gross. (Score 1) 564

by Guppy06 (#46670949) Attached to: Was Eich a Threat To Mozilla's $1B Google "Trust Fund"?

His employees were actually surprised to learn the information.

They weren't "his employees" until last week.

Seems he *didn't* act as you imagine he would

California law and written corporate policy would have kept him from acting on his prejudices overtly. Discrimination and a hostile work environment don't need to be written into the employee handbook to be present, especially when it goes all the way to the top.

Comment: Re:This is kinda gross. (Score 0) 564

by Guppy06 (#46669945) Attached to: Was Eich a Threat To Mozilla's $1B Google "Trust Fund"?

but I hate the idea of judging someone's employability based on how they vote.

And yet you would give the authority to hire, fire, and set policy to an unreformed bigot and hope it all works out for the best?

To save us some time, I'll get straight to a Hitler example, noting that Hitler personally played an important role in the design of the VW Beetle. But hippies can still drive Beetles without thereby supporting Hitler.

How many current Volkswagen executives and board members make political contributions to Nazis? We're not talking about divesting from ECMAScript here.

Comment: Re:Freedom of political activism (Score 1) 1746

by Guppy06 (#46667255) Attached to: Brendan Eich Steps Down As Mozilla CEO

It would be understandable to boycott Mozilla if the CEO actually harmed an employee. It is unreasonable to perform a preventive strike, reasoning that "he will never be able to separate his beliefs from his work and therefore he is guilty a priori.

Legally, the only way employment discrimination can be addressed (in cases where it's even illegal) is if it's overt, explicit, and documented. Anything short of that and the victim is left with nothing but legal fees, with even less of a chance of getting a new job after having a history of filing a discrimination suit. Eich wouldn't have to act directly, openly, or even knowingly for a corporate culture to build up around him and his authority that "coincidentally" rids him of those meddlesome gays, regardless of the platitudes written into the stated corporate policy. From a practical standpoint labor's only defense is to assume guilt until proof of innocence, and in this case Eich is still unrepentant.

Comment: Re:Freedom of political activism (Score 1) 1746

by Guppy06 (#46663789) Attached to: Brendan Eich Steps Down As Mozilla CEO

Eich worked to criminalize what people do privately.

Hyperbole.

It wasn't his marriage that got revoked.

Not when he's doing a private donation

Employment discrimination laws in the US are toothless (when they exist at all) and conservative lawmakers are doing what they can to gut them further. Conservative corporations have gone so far as to argue before the Supreme Court that management can be neither asked nor expected to keep their "sincerely held beliefs" separate from their business policy decisions. He can hire and fire at will, he can change policy on a whim, and he can even impose a hostile work environment to force out undesirables without saying a word or otherwise getting his hands dirty.

In the current corporate legal environment that leans heavily in their favor, there can be no expectation of separation of the public and the private for management. They simply have too much power over the lives of others to pretend anything else is possible.

which is only publicised for legal reasons

Unlike earnings reports?

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