> The methodology in this story set telemetry to "basic" instead of disabling it.
That doesn't appear to be correct. Linked article states:
"I have chosen the customized installation option where I disabled three pages of tracking options"
It's possible that the ability to select "disabled" for telemetry instead of basic isn't in the three pages of tracking options, I guess. That's news in and of itself though, lol.
> Other users have reported that fully disabling telemetry and shutting down non-essential services does reduce the outbound traffic to only Windows Update.
So your point is that you can't disable telemetry during the installation, but there's some unspecified stuff that you can maybe do to turn it off later, if you have the Enterprise version they won't sell you? Sounds super.
> I don't see anyone arguing that Google not respecting privacy justifies Microsoft not doing so.
In this thread:
"Google does this a lot more than Microsoft and no one says anything on that."
"Apple and Google are doing the exact same things with iOS and Android"
"You guys really have such a big problem with this? Because Google and the NSA are doing far worse."
"how is this different from Google, Facebook or any cloud service"
All of these were posted AFTER my post about how we could expect to see a bunch of people saying this hop into the thread.
All of them posted AC.
When this is brought up nowadays, you can pretty much count on these posts showing up. Almost always as AC, and almost always singing you a song about how Resistance Is Futile and how Everyone Is Equally Bad. It's like a bullet point in a disinfo packet or something, it's creepy. And yea, they showed up on schedule.
So no, it's not a strawman or logical fallacy. It's a prediction of what would happen, that was proven true in this very thread. Watch for it next time man, you'll see.
"The real issue is directing outrage mostly at Microsoft when there are plenty of others who deserve criticism for their practices"
No, that's not the "real issue". As I've stated:
1- The fact that phones suck is not a good reasons for desktops to suck now too.
2- There's no inevitable progress or deals associated with spying or spyware, no benefit to the user.
3- Microsoft makes this stunningly hard- I would actually argue impossible- to turn off. Other OSes really DO have toggles that turn this off- Microsoft has a huge nest of options that don't fully disable it (for sure and for reals on Pro and Home, and maybe now on Enterprise).
4- People don't have the same types of data and programs on a phone as they do on a desktop. Those that make due with only a phone generally don't HAVE the features that a PC offers in their life.
5- Windows 10 is aggressively marketed to existing desktop users. Without reading pages of legalese you have no idea that you are transitioning from a desktop OS that you paid for into some new abortion where you are the product and your everything is available to analysis. I would argue this goes further- even a brand new PC purchase is often made with the assumption that what you have on your box is actually private.
I'm not trying to sell you an iphone dude. I'm just saying that if you buy a phone right now and you choose Apple, they are CURRENTLY doing the "right stuff" regarding privacy, and they could change this later (which would mean you couldn't upgrade effectively), so it's not an ideal solution. You don't really have the "install a better OS" option on most phones at all, Apple ones least of all. If you have enough skills to make your Android serve you correctly, grats.
I'm not comparing this to Linux, which obviously is (along with the open source BSDs) the winner in this race on a desktop.
> you have far more choices with a desktop OS than you do with phones
Yes, of course. The mobile market is vastly more oppressive than the desktop market, because it's stupendously hard to control the hardware we buy. There's open phone solutions that are (IMO) nowhere close to being actually good yet, but at least progress is being made. Desktops are an open platform to users, because you can buy components- phones still take a company ordering them to happen.
> . If your statement is true, then your criticism of Microsoft is invalid because you have choices like Linux, FreeBSD, or to buy a Mac ...but this part isn't true. I said on a phone you have two core options- you can get under the hood with Android and knock its head around until it is correct, or you can buy an iphone (and hope Apple stays consumer-friendly). None of this is relevant to criticizing Microsoft for turning the entire Windows platform into a spybot fuckfest- the fact that it's the same hardware that boots Linux and Windows doesn't matter when criticizing Windows.
> I'm not aware of that happening in Windows 10.
You can pick a custom option (which doesn't imply that "send my everything to Microsoft is hidden in there") and then you can disable a whole bunch of telemetry (but certainly not all of it).
"Android presents me an option during setup to fully disable telemetry; I always do so, and therefore Android's telemetry doesn't bother me"
Well even if the button was well hidden it would still be a lot better than Microsoft, where you can only set Basic without using Enterprise, and where it still does all kind of sketchy connections. But does that button really work? I don't know for sure either way. Regardless it isn't really relevant in an article about Windows spying.