Trolling4Dollars's Journal: 110 Minutes

That is the length of Michael Moore's Farenheit 9/11. I went to opening night last night and brought eight friends with me. The theater was packed. All shows were sold out. It was a beautiful thing.

I know there are people out there who think that this movie is awful because of the potential damage it does to the Bush administration. Some people are going so far as to say that this movie is propaganda. To those people, I say, consider the fact that since Bush took office and even moreso after 9/11, we've been subjected to hunrdeds of thousands of minutes of right-wing propaganda: Bill O'Reilly, Ann Coulter, Fox News and their ilk. To make matters worse these people are foisting propaganda as "news". At least, Moore has the tatse and propriety to call his production a simple documentary.

To anyone who is curious about going to see the movie, I urge you to go see it. If you have any heart or compassion, and any sense of what it means to be a true patriotic American, this movie will resonate with you. If you have any Republican family and friends, they need to see this movie too. Buy them a ticket. Make sure they see what their boy is really doing. This movie is worth every cent. Last thing, make sure that you get people to register to vote in 2004. Now, more than ever before, we need to get people on the anti-Bush ticket.

Note to anyone who responds negatively to this JE: bite me. I don't have time to rebut anything currently an I'm not going to try. Before you criticize the film, at least go to see it.

To everyone else who is invested in getting Bush out of office in 2004: "Let's Roll!"

Re: "Let's Roll"

[tomhudson]

Good JE, until this:

To everyone else who is invested in getting Bush out of office in 2004: "Let's Roll!"

Just reminded me of that crappy (read exploitative) Neil Young song ...

In other news, strippers across America have shaved their nether regions in an effort to get the word out - "Read my lips - no more Bush".

(Before anyone flames my for mysogynism, that was forwarded to my by one of my sisters)

Re: "Let's Roll"

[Trolling4Dollars]

I just used the "Let's Roll" thing because Bush said it There's nothing more satisfying than using your enemy's idiocy against them. Personally, I think it's a stupid line.

Re: "Let's Roll"

[tomhudson]

There's nothing more satisfying than using your enemy's idiocy against them

Sort of like this [msdn.com] blog about 21 Rules of Thumb - How Microsoft Develops its' Software?

For example: "On time" as one of the headings ... what a joke. Or "Use zero defect milestones", but don't consider a bug to be a defect.

Or this: "Portability is for canoes".

Or this: "Great software:" "It will appeal to the customer's sense of security" "It will extend the customer's control"

According to their own statements,Microsoft product

SuSE 9.1

[js7a]

have you tried SuSE 9.1? I was critical of SuSE in the past, but this is light-years ahead of anything else in the marketplace

What makes you say that?

I know in the past that SuSE has been more technically polished, but Mandrake has been the leader in i18n, which is what I think is most important for the developing world. I'm curious as to whether SuSE has matched or approached Mandrake in non-Roman character-based languages.

Re:SuSE 9.1

[tomhudson]

I know in the past that SuSE has been more technically polished, but Mandrake has been the leader in i18n, which is what I think is most important for the developing world. I'm curious as to whether SuSE has matched or approached Mandrake in non-Roman character-based languages.

You can subscribe to their mailing lists (all listed here) [www.suse.de], or for i18n issues, browse their mailing list archive [suse.com] and let us know :-)

A quick glance here [suse.com] states that the default encoding is now utf-8. Hope this helps.

Oh, a quick

Re:anti-propaganda

[Trolling4Dollars]

What's your point? No really. That you're a self serving bastard who doesn't think about other people or something? Is that something to be proud of? Not in my neck of the woods.

Re:anti-propaganda

[WhatAmIDoingHere]

The tagline, I think, is that it's the temperature at which freedom burns.

F9/11

[Nasarius]

If you have any heart or compassion, and any sense of what it means to be a true patriotic American, this movie will resonate with you

I agree. It was very emotionally powerful. I think my favorite part was the beginning (about the 2000 election); as a piece of film-making, it was almost perfectly executed. There's good reason why it won the Palme d'Or.
However, there were parts that dragged on too long or where I thought Moore could have done a better job making his point. The Bush/Saudi connections were harped on for far too long. I think he could have spent time better on other issues.

You realize

[strictnein]

that almost everything in the movie is factually incorrect, right? And everything that he implies can't be farther from the truth (ie. Taliban coming to Texas with Bush's blessing, his 43% vacation rate (really 11-12%), the bs about how Gore would win the election that's near the beginning, (the NY Times and CNN found otherwise in 2001) etc, etc, etc.

You might want to take a look at all the easy debunking that is going on. Even my wife who is pretty damn liberal (and really enjoyed Bowling for Columbine) found F9/11 to be just plain ridiculous.

I took off my blinders and went and saw what Micahel Moore likes to pretend is the truth... do you want [moorewatch.com] to take [moorelies.com] off yours [davekopel.com]?

Re:You realize

[Trolling4Dollars]

Blinders? What blinders? ;P I can't take any site seriously that endorse Bush or the Republican party, so that knocks out the first two. I'll take a deeper read of the last one, but it looks like more spew from libertarians. I know what my politics are and I'm sticking to them. As much as I don't like it, I'm voting for Kerry as Bush is completely counter to my values and ethics.

Stop confusing those Left Wingers with Facts

[KarmaOverDogma]

Oftentimes the stronger one holds to a belief the more they hear what they want to hear. Those who saw f911 but went in with an agenda, IMO did one of two things:

a) they bought it all hook line and synch and took Moore as gospel
b) they saw the whole movie and dismissed it all as bunk

both ponits of view, IMO reflect the real danger: watching that movie with a closed mind that isn't willing to be critical.

I found the movie to be factually correct in most points that he made (though Moore's website now has

Re:You realize

[statusbar]

Yesterday, I noticed a CNN report [cnn.com] about the anti-moore site www.moorewatch.com posting bittorrent links to the movie F911. The moorewatch.com site is interesting. I wonder if the people behind it realize how stupid they were by doing that. They in fact ended up helping more people watch F911. It doesn't make sense. They are thinking that they are hurting Moore by reducing movie ticket sales - when in fact Mr. Moore is not concerned about revenue from the movie (but his distributors are) - Mr. Moore wan

Re:You realize

[Quixote]

his 43% vacation rate (really 11-12%),

Here's a quote for you, from this article [msn.com]:
Joe Conason has calculated that up until Sept. 11, 2001, Bush had spent 54 days at the ranch, 38 days at Camp David, and four days at the Bush compound in Kennebunkport--a total of 96 days, or about 40 percent of his presidency, outside of Washington.

Before blindly accepting anything, just consider this: Bush took over on Jan 19th. From then till Sept 11 is about 9 months. On August 6th he went on a month-long vacation to C

Re:Blah ppl like you sacre me!

[pbox]

In fact, prewar Iraq is depicted as some sort of Arab folk festival -- lots of happy, smiling, indigenous people. Was there no footage of a Kurdish village that had been gassed?

I have to address this idiocy, as this particular part of F911 has been widely criticized. To me that particular cut was about how Bush was reading the lies on which he started the war AT THE SAME TIME in Iraq the 99.99% innocent people were going on with their lives. Coming home from school, eating, hanging out at the cafes.

The ga

Re:Blah ppl like you sacre me!

[Trolling4Dollars]

Is that the best you can do? Berate me as a "kook"? Sorry, but I'm more of an American patriot than your sorry ass will ever be. I won't hold it against you however. The level of brainwashing to wich you've succumbed is pretty hard for most people to resist.

Re:Blah ppl like you sacre me!

[HavokDevNull]

In what part of that response did I personally attack you and call you a "Kook" I was explaining my view of the film not attacking you. But you do a great job in personally attacking me for example your little comment about "Brainwashing". You Democrats have given up and abandoned your party to the Leftist Lunatic Fringe (Michael Moore). The distortions and outright negative fabrications the Democrats have hurled into the public arena this year is atrocious. Americans of all political parties deserve better

Re:Blah ppl like you sacre me!

[Trolling4Dollars]

I haven't read the rest of your post yet, but somehow I must have responded to the wrong post. I was address the AC [slashdot.org] that called me a kook. Now... I'll read your response and possibly comment later.

Re:Blah ppl like you sacre me!

[HavokDevNull]

Nice cop-out; and I will bite tomarow morning with the facts and not propaganda.

Re:Blah ppl like you sacre me!

[Trolling4Dollars]

Cop-out? I didn't post that response for you originally. I apologized. Then I read what you wrote and responded fairly. I don't see any evidence of a cop out here. I can't wait to see where this leads next. I figured a reasonable apology for a possibly erroneous response on my part would be enough. I didn't attack you no matter what you may think. As evidenced in my other post, my response was for the dork AC. I didn't say anything to you to warrant such hostility. Why are you so defensive? Here

Re:Blah ppl like you sacre me!

[Trolling4Dollars]

Where did you get your information. Please cite sources and make sure they do not support any party. I want non-partisan sources that can be considered fairly trustworthy. All you gave me was information with no sources. Just like this:

George W. Bush claimed that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. But, to date, none have been found that indicate any real threat. The single supposed weapon of mass destruction was not important enough to make anyone blink because it was not indicative of a

Re:Blah ppl like you sacre me!

[shanen]

Yeah, you're obviously a kook or a refugee from alt.fan.rush-limbaugh. Your bit about the gathering of like-minded morons certainly described that venue, though your context suggested you were mumbling about something else.

I really wonder what motivates your brand of insanity--and people like you really are scary. Also bogus and lazy. Too rude to type "people" and too selfish or stupid to read your own title for "scare".