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Comment: Re:Well he would say that. (Score 1) 894

by Transfinite (#48828111) Attached to: Pope Francis: There Are Limits To Freedom of Expression
:) it takes all sorts, doesn't it? The world, life is not black or white, or at least very rarely. I agree not the "worst-case examples" at all. However they are just that, examples. People listen to "examples" and that response by the Pope isn't going to help. A bad example. Those that happen to put themselves in the firing line tend to get shot.

Comment: Well he would say that. (Score 2, Insightful) 894

by Transfinite (#48819269) Attached to: Pope Francis: There Are Limits To Freedom of Expression

"There are so many people who speak badly about religions or other religions, who make fun of them, who make a game out of the religions of others,"

Well that's what you get from millennia of religious abuse, wars, restrictions. Faith, hope, fantasy, not one word of it ever corroborated in any religion. Yet we are meant to show respect, tow the line. Why? Because otherwise you will torture, abuse me all in the name of "religion". Don't patronise me by telling me this is not true.

Prove it or shut the fuck up.

P.s We don't get our morals from religion, my observation is that quite often "religious" people have less ethics and morality than atheists.

Comment: Re:Typical muslims (Score 1) 389

that we've been interfering and killing their families since their grandparents were in diapers.

In recent history the west has done some immoral, illegal things in the middle east, true. However for how long do you think that islam has done worse in those geographical errors. 1893 & in 1915 an estimated 2.5 million Armenians were killed by the Ottomans , Dhimitude was only stopped under prodding by the west in 1853 in the Ottoman empire, not nice, not moral. Islam has estimated to have killed or caused the death of some 270 million

Comment: Re:Typical muslims (Score 3, Interesting) 389

You mean Taqiyya, which is why unfortunately I feel very slow to trust Muslims & I sincerely wish that was not so:

“Taqiyya” is the religiously-sanctioned doctrine, with its origins in Shi’a Islam but now practiced by non-Shi’a as well, of deliberate dissimulation about religious matters that may be undertaken to protect Islam, and the Believers. A related term, of broader application, is “kitman,” which is defined as “mental reservation.” An example of “Taqiyya” would be the insistence of a Muslim apologist that “of course” there is freedom of conscience in Islam, and then quoting that Qur’anic verse — “There shall be no compulsion in religion.” {2:256} But the impression given will be false, for there has been no mention of the Muslim doctrine of abrogation, or naskh, whereby such an early verse as that about “no compulsion in religion” has been cancelled out by later, far more intolerant and malevolent verses. In any case, history shows that within Islam there is, and always has been, “compulsion in religion” for Muslims, and for non-Muslims.”Kitman” is close to “taqiyya,” but rather than outright dissimulation, it consists in telling only a part of the truth, with “mental reservation” justifying the omission of the rest. One example may suffice. When a Muslim maintains that “jihad” really means “a spiritual struggle,” and fails to add that this definition is a recent one in Islam (little more than a century old), he misleads by holding back, and is practicing “kitman.” When he adduces, in support of this doubtful proposition, the hadith in which Muhammad, returning home from one of his many battles, is reported to have said (as known from a chain of transmitters, or isnad), that he had returned from “the Lesser Jihad to the Greater Jihad” and does not add what he also knows to be true, that this is a “weak” hadith, regarded by the most-respected muhaddithin as of doubtful authenticity, he is further practicing “kitman.

Comment: Re:Typical muslims (Score 1) 389

Policy Exchange: One third of British Muslims believe anyone who leaves Islam should be killed
http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/...

Which is why at the very least I want sharia proscribed in my country and at the very most the same done for islam, because there is no truth or value to it. If I were religious I'd say it's demonic.

Comment: Re:Typical muslims (Score 1) 389

You do realize that there is 1.6 billion of people that are muslims in the world

Actually it's closer to 1.7, so what? So you are saying because 1.7 billion follow a quite frankly immoral behaviour it makes it ok? All you can say about Christians is that they thump bibles, oppose gays and abortions!

Well at least we don't hang gays or have doctrines that justify murder, rape, deception, servitude all on a massive scale. I suggest you go and educate yourself.

http://www.alarabiya.net/artic... http://www.raymondibrahim.com/... http://www.raymondibrahim.com/...

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