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Comment: Re:From Jack Brennan's response (Score 1) 772

by SuiteSisterMary (#48566403) Attached to: CIA Lied Over Brutal Interrogations

There's a great video clip, that I've never been able to find again, of Cheney, as Bush Sr.'s SecDef I believe, explaining in an interview why, after Gulf War '91, they didn't invade Iraq.

He talked about how it would be at least a 20 year thing, insurgency, blah blah, all the things that came to pass.

Comment: Re:From Jack Brennan's response (Score 1) 772

by SuiteSisterMary (#48565663) Attached to: CIA Lied Over Brutal Interrogations

That's kinda my point. The US, unfortunately, has a long history of institutional racism, from the Alien and Sedition acts to WW2 internment camps.

Though I wouldn't go so far as to call them hypocrites, as products of their time.

My other point is that one doesn't need 200+ year old quotes to establish that torture is, wholly and unequivocally, wrong.

Comment: Re:From Jack Brennan's response (Score 1) 772

by SuiteSisterMary (#48564941) Attached to: CIA Lied Over Brutal Interrogations

Well, I have two main objections to the use of torture as a method of extracting information. And for the purposes of this discussion, 'torture' is a fairly wide net.

The first is moral, and doesn't need a lot of explanation.

The second is that it plain doesn't work. Physiological response to high stress, for starters.

No, there are ways to get information that are a) far more ethical and moral, and b) far more effective.

Besides, as a citizen, you should be damn scared of seeing what your government is willing to do to people. A promise of 'Don't worry, we won't do that to YOU! Pinky swear!' is awfully cold comfort.

Comment: Re:From Jack Brennan's response (Score 1) 772

by SuiteSisterMary (#48559535) Attached to: CIA Lied Over Brutal Interrogations

Lets have another quote, from an ever so slightly more recent document, with much wider scope.

âoeRepresentatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.â

Comment: Re:From Jack Brennan's response (Score 1) 772

by SuiteSisterMary (#48559503) Attached to: CIA Lied Over Brutal Interrogations

True. But by the logic of 'torturing some people saves lives,' then lets look at how many Americans died to terrorist attacks since the year 2000, versus how many died due to, say, other drivers being drunk.

Then, applying this logic, anybody pulled over driving, while intoxicated, should be tortured.

Comment: Re:Total War: Rome 2 (Score 1) 171

by SuiteSisterMary (#48484143) Attached to: Ubisoft Apologizes For Assassin's Creed

In fact the last time I remember a game being shoved out THIS badly broken was Vampire:Bloodlines and that one at least had the excuse of the developer going tits up.

There's a bit more to the story, but yeah. And worth noting that they then worked, unpaid, to put out a patch that fixed the worst of it.

Fantastic game, even though.

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