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Comment Re: stop (Score 2) 688

The objectives are all laid out in the executive orders which establish affirmative action, and it has nothing to do with forcing employment of various classes, quotas, or anything like that. The key objectives are "equality of opportunity for all qualified persons" and "efficient and effective utilization of all available manpower". Really, go ahead and read them and see if there's anything that you find objectionable.

Comment Re:Step One: get out of the way (Score 1) 688

You have replied to nearly every significant comment, but all you post is negativity.

You have to admit, Slashdot comments were pretty depressing today.

FWIW, my comment was not "there is no way to win", but "there is no way to win, apparently". What I meant by this (and I thought it was clear in context, but that might just be me) is that the crowd doesn't have a consistent position, so there's no point trying to appease it. That's pretty much what you said, so I think we're on the same page there.

Comment Re:How about more offensive public mailing lists? (Score 1) 688

I don't want quality projects distracted trying to recruit, for example either left handers, women, transvestites, jesuit priests...etc. as coders.

Pretty much everyone would agree with you on this point, with one possible exception. Some projects are well-funded enough to be able to afford people who mostly do community outreach. In that situation, it makes sense to reach for more than one community.

However, here's the flip side: I also don't want quality projects fostering (whether by accident or not) an environment where whole segments of the technically-adept population are not welcome.

Open source is about the community around a project, and getting the community right is part of the development process. Ultimately, technical merit must win, however that is literally the last step in getting a patch accepted. Any quality project needs to get all the steps before that right, too.

Comment Re: FUCK OFF DICE (Score 1) 688

While I agree we shouldn't try too hard to even the genders in coding, saying that females coders bring nothing to the table that men bring is nonsense.

This isn't a comment about the sex ratio specifically, but if the Silicon Valley brogrammer echo chamber wasn't quite so monolithic, maybe we wouldn't have so much privacy-destroying crapware.

Comment Re:Deconstructing diversity in tech (Score 4, Insightful) 688

5) We need wives and mothers.

Ah, now the truth comes out.

We need husbands and fathers just as much as we need wives and mothers. In fact, we probably need them more at the moment, because the ones who work in the corporate world currently aren't around for their families as much as they should be or want to be. Women are allowed to have a family-work balance; indeed, they are expected to. Men are not.

If we as a society valued care as much as we value making money, institutional sexism in the workplace would be mostly gone within a generation.

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