I know nothing about your education just as you know nothing about mine. Our classes, our instructors, our schools' resources... Taking it a step further, one could even argue about access to such things (which is another discussion).
But at some point, I suppose all this--the instruction, the books that were read, the quizzes and tests, research papers, finals--boils down to being interpreted as "experience." Where's the line between experience and education then? Is education only "knowing and theory" whereas experience equates to "application and practice?" Do you have to create only 1 fully-functional, database-transacting application that can be served across the internet to NOT be considered a newbie or does one need to somehow find a way to measure functional proportions (in which case, my original argument still stands)? Probably not, right? I mean, someone must surely create 2, 10, 50 applications... RIGHT? Or does this exact number only matter to whatever circles we're having this circle jerk with?
How many people does one have to work with before being seen as a non-newbie (because surely social interactions play a part, right?) How many languages must one know (and to come up with this number, you have to know what defines a language)? How many uses of this language (or languages) does one need to exhibit before being labeled as non-newb? Do they need to know how to write and compile a "what-the-fuck-ever" routine or sub-program before being considered "seasoned" or do they have to create their own entire operating system? Again, circles...But how many degrees does someone need to have or, since "...a programming course..." basically equates to anything, should it be more about WHERE the education comes from?
I guess you get the point.
Can you have experience without knowledge? And if this IS the case--which it is NOT--how the fucking hell can ANYONE belittle someone else for not knowing how to do something someone else DOES know how to do?
It's synonymous with harassing children trying to learn how to read and it's bullshit.
But all this aside, all I was originally blabbing about was how immature and disrespectful our ilk are to each other. We should be our best allies and most notable advocates. We should be the people holding the invisible keys to the city... And yet, the internet is an indicator of the inverse because we're always name calling, forming gangs and cliques, raising people with God complexes, undercutting each other, etc. It's a fucking joke. Yeah, it's wonderful that someone knows how to program a whatever with a whatever like everyone cares, but seriously, do you (me, or anyone else for that matter) really tend to believe that there's not going to be someone tomorrow who does the same thing a thousand times over? And if so, do you think they'll not eventually have the same discussion? If so, then we're not doing something write in all this, which is incredibly ironic for programmers--the supposed masters of efficiency.