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Comment: Re:selective enforcement at it's finest. (Score 4, Insightful) 322

by Cederic (#46732405) Attached to: Can You Buy a License To Speed In California?

If you are a 90 year old Pearl Harbor veteran, you are a goddamn hero, no one denies that

I deny that. Unless you can offer some proof.

Hiding in a bomb shelter is not heroic. Sensible, but not heroic.
Manning your post in a ship under fire is not heroic. You get trained to do it, failing to stay at your post would be the thing worthy of a title, not merely 'doing your job'.

But maybe he pulled the charred corpse of his colleague from the AA gun chair, swung it round, shot down four Japanese fighter bombers, took three rounds in the chest but then stayed there shooting at torpedo bombers. That's heroic.

I guess we'll never know. But don't go pretending I have to accept that he's a hero, just because he managed not to die.

Comment: Re:Freedom of political activism (Score 1) 1744

by Cederic (#46665891) Attached to: Brendan Eich Steps Down As Mozilla CEO

Look, it's obvious here that you're just a bigot who's twisting words around to try to justify your own insane bigotry and hatred of homosexuals.

Sorry, tell me exactly where I've said something here that's against homosexuals?

You're a blinkered prejudiced ignorant twat that makes bad assumptions about other people and acts on those assumptions. Including accusing people that call you on it of being a bigot.

Well done, you win the argument - idiots so often do.

Comment: Re:Freedom of political activism (Score 1) 1744

by Cederic (#46665555) Attached to: Brendan Eich Steps Down As Mozilla CEO

I am open to hearing/considering a logical/rational reason to ban gay marriage. Do you have one?

erm. A (self-professed gay) anonymous coward posted a fairly long one a few posts lower.

However, if I had to stand up and defend Prop 8 then I could put forward an argument that marriage is a flawed institution that should have no Governmental recognition, and failing to support Prop 8 would be an implicit concession that marriage was valid and that tax benefits for it was appropriate.

In other words, you can vote against gay marriage purely because it's marriage.

Someone with that viewpoint has at no point expressed an opinion on homosexuality or the rights of homosexuals.

Comment: Re:Freedom of political activism (Score 1) 1744

by Cederic (#46665347) Attached to: Brendan Eich Steps Down As Mozilla CEO

YES, it can: the whole fucking point of Prop8 is to breach people's rights using the force of law.

That's a very subjective view.

Not least, it includes the assumption that marriage is a right. It precludes multiple definitions of 'marriage'. It is in its own way just as fucking bigoted as someone that doesn't like gay people.

You can believe whatever the hell you want, but when you try to have laws enacted to enforce your bigoted views, then people are going to have a real problem with that. If you don't understand that simple concept, then I don't know how to help you.

..and we're back to the Muslims that want you stoned to death for promoting homosexuality. Or are you also supporting Sharia law?

You see, they think you're the bigoted one.

Comment: Re:Freedom of political activism (Score 1) 1744

by Cederic (#46665009) Attached to: Brendan Eich Steps Down As Mozilla CEO

If I work for Whole Foods, I can probably expect nothing, and the Muslim colleague can expect a lecture about respecting diversity.

So all Muslims should be sacked because they all oppose gay marriage (as a side effect of believing homosexuality to be anti-Islamic)? No CEO can be Muslim?

As for that Muslim idiot in they hypothetical example, a person's views can't breach your rights to religious freedom.

Someone's support for Prop 8 can't breach your rights either, so just what's the fucking problem here?

I'm just seriously confused that people are celebrating someone losing their job because they happened to express a political opinion outside of the workplace.

Comment: Re:Freedom of political activism (Score 1) 1744

by Cederic (#46664817) Attached to: Brendan Eich Steps Down As Mozilla CEO

as a low-level employee, I don't have any power to impose my viewpoint on anyone

Yes, you do. Merely articulating your views at work is a form of imposition. So I'll rephrase my query in a form that you can maybe answer: If you mention at work that you're "glad Eich is no longer CEO as his gay marriage views are bigoted" and a Muslim colleague complains to HR that your views on gay marriage breach his rights to religious freedom, should you be sacked?

Incidentally, I've heard of 'right to work' and luckily I live in a jurisdiction in which that does not apply. So ignore the legality and tell me whether you should or not?

Comment: Re:Freedom of political activism (Score 1) 1744

by Cederic (#46664575) Attached to: Brendan Eich Steps Down As Mozilla CEO

It's not about retribution. It's about being able to do your job properly. It's that by supporting prop 8 you are showing yourself to be a bigot. There is no reason to doubt the software engineering abilities of a person if they are a bigot. There is a good reason to doubt the leadership abilities of a person if they are a bigot.

How does that show that he's a bigot. It's reasonable to assume that he's a highly logical thinker (due to his career history) so why do you assume that he doesn't have a very logical reason for supporting prop 8, and that instead he's coming from a position of ignorance?

Have you actually asked him why he supported it? Have you done anything more than react emotionally in an ignorant and prejudiced manner? Just who the fuck is the bigot here?

Comment: Re:Freedom of political activism (Score 1) 1744

by Cederic (#46664489) Attached to: Brendan Eich Steps Down As Mozilla CEO

Depends. Does Ford give people equal employment rights and opportunities irrespective of their race, gender or religious beliefs?

Does the CEO lynch black people in the factory?

Out of curiousity, do you impose your homosexuality viewpoints on your colleagues? Would you consider it acceptable to be sacked for doing so? What if one of them were Muslim and found your viewpoints intolerable on religious grounds. Who gets sacked then? You the bigot for failing to respect his religious freedoms or him the bigot for failing to respect your sexual preference preferences?

Sacking people for what they think is wrong.

IF I HAD A MINE SHAFT, I don't think I would just abandon it. There's got to be a better way. -- Jack Handley, The New Mexican, 1988.

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