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Comment: Re:So you agree with this bill. Cool. (Score 1) 508

by CauseBy (#47766981) Attached to: Limiting the Teaching of the Scientific Process In Ohio

You are interpreting it to mean the opposite of what it means. If science says "outer space is above the clouds", this bill would prevent you from saying so, because it would "prohibit religious interpretation of scientific facts to mean that heaven is not above the clouds".

Comment: Re:If you don't want science... (Score 1) 508

by CauseBy (#47766887) Attached to: Limiting the Teaching of the Scientific Process In Ohio

We can't read minds but we can read the private letters and journals of scientists past and compare those writings to their public writings. The private writings of Newton, for instance, show that he was ambivalent and conflicted about the existence of a god -- not that he had decided there were no gods, but that he wasn't at all sure. So that's one example. Compare him to Kepler who almost surely believed in the personal deity described by the Catholic church.

But the beliefs of Newton and Kepler don't really matter. They could have been wrong. What matters is the best evidence and deduction we have and can do today.

Comment: Re:If you don't want science... (Score 1) 508

by CauseBy (#47766845) Attached to: Limiting the Teaching of the Scientific Process In Ohio

That's right. Those early scientists were convinced that by studying the natural world they would validate their religious beliefs. They were wrong about that and later scientists did the honest thing by giving up on that invalid hypothesis and following the evidence.

Early scientists thought they could build telescopes and look up at heaven, but it turned out that heaven wasn't up there. They thought they'd look through microscopes and see angels dancing on pins, but it turned out there were no angels on the pins. They thought they would be able to calculate the movement of the sun around the earth, but it turned out they weren't able to do that. They thought they would inspect a mustard seed and determine that a godly force caused it to transform into a mustard bush, but that didn't turn out to be how it works. They thought that they would inspect living bodies and find that they were built of different kinds of matter than nonliving things, but no, that wasn't so.

Therewith, science and scientists distinguished themselves from religion by giving up on ideas that were wrong.

Comment: Re:The US slides back to the caves (Score 0) 508

by CauseBy (#47766785) Attached to: Limiting the Teaching of the Scientific Process In Ohio

Still using Imperial measurements?

Yep. And we will until something better comes along. It might be similar to the metric system but with units of useful size, units of equal ratio (cf. the kilogram as a base unit), and a unit ratio of a useful number (say, maybe 12, instead of 10). Get to work on that and let us know how you do.

Comment: Re:Bring on the toll roads (Score 1) 501

by CauseBy (#47766747) Attached to: Net Neutrality Is 'Marxist,' According To a Koch-Backed Astroturf Group

Okay, I read it. Now I'll let you know that what would be so awful about 100% toll roads is everything.

It comes down to this statement fromt he article, popular among ideologues: Profit management beats government management every time. That is a fact claim, stated without evidence, actually stated contrary to evidence. It would be a winning argument if it were true, but it's not, so it's a losing argument.

Comment: Re:What's so American (Score 1) 501

by CauseBy (#47766667) Attached to: Net Neutrality Is 'Marxist,' According To a Koch-Backed Astroturf Group

"so what are you saying?"

I'm saying what I said.

"libertarians demand ideological purity and 'progressives' and neocons do not?"

Nope, I didn't say that.

"This society could use some libertarianism to counter the steady march towards statism that's been happening."

Nope, I didn't say that either.

Comment: Re:Bring on the toll roads (Score 1) 501

by CauseBy (#47766631) Attached to: Net Neutrality Is 'Marxist,' According To a Koch-Backed Astroturf Group

"All roads are already toll roads, in that their maintenance is paid for by gas taxes. "

That's not what a toll road is.

"What would be so awful about that money going to an efficient enterprise, as opposed to an inefficient bureaucracy?"

Nothing, that would be great. But we're talking about "going into a few hundred-thousand independently operated, unassociated enterprises, a small minority of which are efficient". And that would be worse than the bureaucracy we have now. We'll have to disagree about how efficient it is.

By the way, nothing prevents private marketeers from building toll roads. The fact that they don't do so is good evidence that they can't compete against the vastly superior "inefficient bureaucracy" model we currently enjoy.

Comment: Re:What's so American (Score 1) 501

by CauseBy (#47766587) Attached to: Net Neutrality Is 'Marxist,' According To a Koch-Backed Astroturf Group

Extreme libertarianism is currently the law of the land in Darfur and Afghanistan. It's not working out well for those places.

Extreme Capitalism was the law of the land in America before early in the 20th century. It didn't work well for America.

Extreme Socialism would be, what, communism? We tried communism in a few places and yeah, it didn't work very well, but better than maybe I would have predicted.

Comment: Re:What's so American (Score 1) 501

by CauseBy (#47766525) Attached to: Net Neutrality Is 'Marxist,' According To a Koch-Backed Astroturf Group

every road in America is a toll road. Have you ever heard about gasoline taxes?

Cute, but that's not what a toll road is.

Does pre-paying your road fees at the pump make you happier for some reason (would love to hear what that reason could be) than paying the fees as you use the roads (ala EZPass et. al. - let's assume you can use them anonymously).

Yes, that's an accurate synopsis of my thesis. It is nicer to pre-pay via taxes than to stop and pay each individual toll operator. EZ Pass, of course, wouldn't exist in a libertarian world because you'd never get every landowner to sign up with their individual one-mile-long road segments.

It sounds like you did so without understanding how roads are paid for.

Listen again, more carefully this time, because I didn't say anything indicating that I don't understand how roads are paid for.

It's an ideologically-driven stance to accept more expensive, lower quality roads and political corruption and waste for the sake of a particular revenue model.

No, it's not. It's the opposite of an ideology.

Comment: Re:What's so American (Score 1) 501

by CauseBy (#47757511) Attached to: Net Neutrality Is 'Marxist,' According To a Koch-Backed Astroturf Group

"Do you think the MIT researcher should pay for the higher tier and be slowed down to Grandma's speed for some sites?"

Yes. I think both of them should have their packets delivered as fast as the network hardware allows, considering the networks they are both on. If they are on equally fast networks, then yes, their speeds should be the same.

"Do you think your overnight package should be 3 days to certain destinations for the same price of overnight delivery?"

No, but I do think that putting a stamp on a letter should get it across the city or across the country. Package delivery is different in some ways from packet delivery, and similar in other ways.

Comment: Re:What's so American (Score 2, Insightful) 501

by CauseBy (#47757457) Attached to: Net Neutrality Is 'Marxist,' According To a Koch-Backed Astroturf Group

"Without it you get toll roads everywhere, and you constantly have to pay by the mile"

Ah, yes, the libertarian dream.

That very hypothetical scenario is the actual reason I'm not a libertarian. Back in college it was popular to say you were a libertarian, but one day we were talking about roads and the non-hypocrites had to admit that, yes, a libertarian country would be 100% toll roads. I abandoned that stupid philosophy that day. I don't want to live in an ideologically pure world; I want to live in a good world, and libertarianism wouldn't lead to a good world.

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