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Comment Re:record-shattering recording instruments (Score 1) 507

Erm,I know what I'm talking about.

Maybe, but when you spout nonsense like:

The measure certain stuff using other satellites radiation/emissions etc.

Why are we supposed to believe you. The NOAA MSA and AMSU instruments measure microwave emissions from oxygen, they do not use "other satellites radiation/emissions etc".

Then you continue with:

How exactly is a clock that measures how a satellite radio signal is slowed down through the atmosphere depending on moisture and temperature 'degrading'

The NOAA satellites don't have "a clock that measures how a satellite radio signal is slowed down through the atmosphere depending on moisture and temperature"

Then you bring up GPS:

The GPS satellites don't 'degrade' but the satellites measuring their signals, do?

Then you make the unsupported assertion:

neither are those instruments nor measurements degrading nor are they perfect.

We know the instruments are not perfect, look at the problems with the "hot target" for example.

As for not degrading, you might like to check out the NOAA status page.

For example:

12/16/2008 00:00:00 MetOp-2 AMSU-A1 Channel 7 degradation began violating specifications beginning 12/16.2008.

Conclusion: You don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

Comment Re:record-shattering recording instruments (Score 1) 507

The satellites don't measure temperature. Facepalm. How should they be able to do that?
The measure certain stuff using other satellites radiation/emissions etc.
From that they 'conclude' what the temperature might be.

You don't seem to know what satellites we're talking about here. The UAH and RSS datasets are based on the MSU (microwave sounding unit) and AMSU (advanced ...) instruments on NOAA satellites, they dont "measure certain stuff using other satellites"

This: They are in decaying orbits with instruments that are known to drift over time. is just bollocks. How exactly is a clock that measures how a satellite radio signal is slowed down through the atmosphere depending on moisture and temperature 'degrading' ... exactly ... how is that supposed to work? Ha? The GPS satellites don't 'degrade' but the satellites measuring their signals, do?

Made in China Syndrom?

Idiot!

We're not talking about GPS satellites here, the NOAA satellites don't have "a clock that measures how a satellite radio signal is slowed down through the atmosphere".

Why do you bother commenting if you don't know what the fuck you're talking about?

Comment Re:record-shattering recording instruments (Score 1) 507

The bit about "unadjusted" was intended to mean that these curves are of instrumental data, not model outputs. Before being run through much processing. So "RSS MSU lower trop. global mean" is relatively unaltered MSU data.

Nonsense. All RSS output is model output. The instrumental data is a bunch of numbers for microwave emission at various frequencies. There is no temperature output from the instruments.

Comment Re:record-shattering recording instruments (Score 1) 507

Now, I am quite sure you can find references from The Usual Suspects which disagree with some of these points, but I can dig up references too. And that would just make it pretty much a matter of he-said, she-said, and won't get us anywhere, so I won't likely bother to respond if you do. I've seen them all.

Does Carl Mears, VP of RSS count as one of the "usual suspects"?

A similar, but stronger case can be made using surface temperature datasets, which I consider to be more reliable than satellite datasets (they certainly agree with each other better than the various satellite datasets do!).

-- Carl Mears

 

Not many years ago (just before the AGW hysteria began, in fact), the satellites were widely hailed as "the best instruments we have".

Yes: http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/1997/essd06oct97_1/

Just how accurate are space-based measurements of the temperature of the Earth's atmosphere? In a recent edition of Nature, scientists Dr. John Christy of the University of Alabama in Huntsville, and Dr. Roy Spencer of NASA/Marshall describe in detail just how reliable these measurements are.

This was just before it was found that Christy and Spencer had got the sign wrong in their manipulation of the data.

Comment Re:record-shattering recording instruments (Score 2) 507

Then why do the two satellite records not agree with each other let alone with radiosonde measurements? The divergence is quite wide on these records.

IF you have three different thermometers

But the thing is we have one thermometers and two temperatures. The UAH and RSS teams are using (mostly) the same satellites and getting different readings.

The problem is that the adjustments made to the satellite data are vastly larger than the ones applied to the surface data, and to a much greater extent decided on by "judgement". UAH has gone through six major revisions, producing wildly different temperatures.

Comment Re:record-shattering recording instruments (Score 2) 507

They aren't constant, but the factors are well known and predictable. They are also under complete control and observation of their operators, unlike the thousands of surface stations located world wide.

Well, no. UAH has gone through 6 major modifications since it started because it turned out that the factors were not well known and are not predictable, why has the satellite data started to diverge from the radiosonde data? Is it a problem with the satellites? Change in atmospheric response due to humidity changes perhaps? Who knows?

The satellites are also not "under complete control and observation of their operators". They are in decaying orbits with instruments that are known to drift over time.

Comment Re:Looking forward (Score 2) 507

What's with the quotes? If you think that AGW is preventing an "ice age" (quotes because we're already in an ice age) then you believe global warming exists.

Anyway, no. AGW may prevent us entering an "ice age" in the next few thousand years, but there is no way we'd be entering one now.

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