I will equte it. And PC wankers like you need to be told to quit doing this smokescreening. Islamic culture is a culture where 500,000 people demonstrate in public in Dhaka that Athiests and people of other religion should be hung. Its where abuse of women is at 7th century levels in very_much of the islamic world, and where female sexual mutiliation is supported by the leading schools and religion. You claim that its all innocent. Its a lie. In most islmaic states, the laws are not compatable with our world. Where else in the world are you put to death for leaving religion?

Do not tell me to not associate Islam with scum like Al Quida and terrorism. Go away. Go_and demand Islam modernise and break away from the bad things its wholly enrolled and wrapped in. Let every islamic state denouce themselves and remove from their laws the laws that are reprehensible and are not compatable with everyone else.

Maybe you missed this. But supposedly when you are right, and its wrong to suppress groupings who don't agree with you, and you stomp your feet about it and demand a better civilisation - You aren't actually supposed to start doing the same when you hold the reins. Maybe you fucking missed the memo.

If its ok - then why are you complaining about McCarthy'ism. If its all ok, then don't. Otherwise, grow a pair of balls and stand up for what you believe in. That Gov (whoever that is) should not do this kind of thing. Either you believe in it or you don't. Its not a pick and fucking choose menu.

Sorry, I disagree. I believe Bin Laden could have been taken alive. I believe there was never any intention to take him alive, I believe the orders were 'kill' orders. And I believe the president and cabinet watched these kill orders.

I have zero feelings for Bin Laden, and I detest islam, and I detest Al Quida, and I detest Islamic culture, Jihadism, and the 7th century bullshit.

My problem is that - and this is vaguely where I sit. I'm an English Anglophile. I know my history. I understand our common laws, and the pain that was traversed through to reach them. I understand how America came about, and I understand the basic premise that in our History, we have due process in law. Some of this very long held and long won process is badly broken when a king in old school terms, or a president in new school terms is simply going to hold or kill opponents.
The limits we built to stop kings or .. in this case presidents doing this were done for good reasons..

And thats all well in play before we ever start looking at international treatise like Geneva convention.

The president now flies drones over US soil and can kill American citizens by his command?
I could have believed this activity came from republicans or Teaparty folk who go too far. Its harder to absorb when its being done by the ever morally superior Dems, who now think or believe they have... forgive me for this, but a god given right to be better than others. The sneering and jeering of 'democrats' aimed at these groups is lost on me. Maybe they are missing that from where I sit, I'm not seeing as big a difference as they might think they have here, and that is bad news.

The democrat press rah rah their own side while seeming to say or do nothing about problems is depressing. I'm old enough to Remember the Soviet union and Pravda. A free press is a press that actually gets off its ass and doesn't just rah rah its fav black president. Sorry if thats too un PC for people..

I have a question...

Maybe more than one..

Under Bush, lotta crying, moaning, and bleeting from the people. Seems now the same people who did this are or have been involved in;

Cold blodded murder of enemy combatants (Bin Laden could have been taken. He was simply assasinated..) - remember the pictures of a soldier doing this under Bush? all hell let loose. Wot, now its ok cos the pres says so?

Illegal bombardment of other nations land, and illegal operations and flights over other nations airspaces. Drone use today is at an all time high..
Gitmo still seems to be open..
Still in Afganistan, and ever more so in Afpak.

Seems to me that the President and friends is getting a very big free pass on a lot of activities.
And some stuff is new, like drones over the US and further assassinations of unwanted or disliked individuals.

Whatever the background, the IRS should be politically independant and not a tool to be aimed at opponents.
I'm not American. But I have to say that in recent years it seems a lot of mud gets thrown. The republicans and tea party folks are accused of living in their own bubble. And I think thats true. But have to say, the other side is in its own bubble, and its not getting better. In fact, its getting really quite bad.

The President is murdering civilians. And he's issuing orders to kill people. And he seems to have no check or balance. Seems dem press are giving free rides. Doing so isn't proving loyaltly to their beliefs or so called values.

When 3000 Pakistani's die from drone strikes, will it turn to a Pearl Harbour for Pakistan?
More than anything else, put aside the politics, these policies and ideas are not more effective than Bush, or better than Bush. The current work isn't effective in even the medium term. Short term, maybe the US gets some people. But whole villages are being turned. Its winning hearts and minds, but not for the US. This is not going well. It may seem like it is on the surface, but thats all.

Who got here first?

OK, here is what I believe.
1. You're an idiot. There. I said it.
2. Go re-read my actual input. Then re-read it until you get it.
3. People HERE in the main - in this thread have talked bollocks. I think a level well below 50% have some idea of what they deal with, the rest are the idiot majority.
4. Cleaning up conflicker off a single machine re your none technical friends is totally irrelevant. And thats before I smash you over the head and point you at baselines. What the *fuck* is the point in walking round with your glorious bootable AV disk, when after you 'clean' it and turn on the re-infection takes place.

I would go into the facts that you have to quaratine and create a controlled environment, fix the base problems, and do the patching. The cleaning off the virus from individual machines is the easy part. The scale is the difficult part, not the removal from a box.

*I've worked large conflicker clean ups. Unless you have - shut your fucking cake hole.

Where did I advocate buying new machines?
I didn't.

But to answer you dubious point, new machines nominally don't have some (but not all of it is answered so simply, weak passwords for example remain a problem unless that is addressed..) the bad baselines.

Yeah, no infection. Sadly no working system either.

Fail. Go away.

And how would that fix the problem - exactly?
Wipe - reinstall - re-infect. Well done. Do you like wasting your time and everyone else's?

No, conflicker has worm elements. So, the hard part of the clean up is not per se an individual machine. Its that you need to solve the baseline problems that allow conflicker to do its thing.

Re-installing 'stuff' won't make this go away. Doing it wrong just reinfects the machine.
So, as I said, what has to be done is the cause and baselines that allow conflicker to replicate have to be solved (harder part) - and then machines with good baselines go through clean up and go back on the network (easier part..)

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/962007
Any tech learning about conflicker can read about it, and start to understand what needs to be fixed. Patch, correct password weakenesses, stop autorun etc etc. Today, this is somewhat simple as a lot of tools and detection tools exist.

People in threat waving around Fdisk and re-install media saying 'they could fix this' - probably in fact are clueless and need to understand the problems involved. Conflicker breeds off poor security and bad baselines. Thats how it gets in. Thats how it replicates. Thats how it hangs around and re-infects.

This thread is disappointing. So much hate. Hate leads to fear, and fear leads to the dark side.

Anyway. Conflicker. Nasty. Simple. Old. A clean up is not easy, but conflicker requires some bad baselines to be operating for it to get through and thrive. If you fix the baseline issues, the clean up can follow. A clean susyem thats updated properly isn't infectable via conflicker. So frankly a system sorted put back in should be fine. You'll obviously have to do this step by step and yes, there is a price. Most orgs this size have IT staff so I don't know how the figures are drawn up.

I also have to say, the clean up tools and detection tools mean attacking conflicker infection is on the easier end of security clean up. The story is sad because it seems to indicate ever present stupidity in public services. Advocates and supporters of public services need to understand that its not a ob creation scheme. If someone has a role or job, they must be competant. Trained. Skilled. People who are not have no place in it.

Just has a bad feeling... starting with the name.

Raring Ringtail is just too close to Raring Ring Piece... and for some reason has me thinking of a bad night on the curry. I really hope they use better names in future..

Seems they did this.
But then they are now directing her to put back in the start button and to reverse course somewhat (speculative).

Assuming the board over-rules the current windows team - and force a change from the disaster that is Win 8 - will she quit? :)

So, XP level security and no UAC and no sandboxing in IE and other windows level engineering changes were not needed.

How about I just say you seem to have no idea about what you are talking about. And you _deserve_the modding down.

First.. this thread is already amazing for the shit being peddled, and the non factual based opinion.

From what I've read, the X devs don't like X. They don't think its network transparent, and they really don't like this idea that X is it.
They are trying to fix a lot of problems through wayland. It seems to me that Linux should really put a lot of weight behind wayland, not so it purely replaces X, but so the underlying work can be done to find the best solutions.

X has serious problems. And these are not likely to be fixed by throwing more into X.

These Devs seem to laugh at people who 'defend X'. And I'll take theor view over that of the less than educated baying mob..