from TFS: "...you want to foster an open, welcoming, and empowered community." it is completely appropriate to say "the topic at hand is how to deal with group dynamics while keeping the inclusive nature of the open source community."

every older generation says this about the newest 20 something generation. "when i was a kid i walked 20 miles over broken glass up hill barefoot! because we were men!" "these damn kids!" "lazy fuckin kids"

its ok, the kids are alright. the country isn't going to spin off its axis because things are changing. things change over time. we learn new things. we apply our new knowledge to tweak and fix things that need it. it happens every generation and will continue to happen. dont let the creepy man in the moving picture box scare you. things change. accept it or become that bitter old man who is always mumbling about the damn kids.

now, back to the topic at hand. these group dynamics from the article are not new. groups throughout history have had to deal with ego maniacs, narcissists, whiny, and entitled people. even the open source aspects don't make these problems unique. volunteer organizations, churches, charities, neighborhood groups, etc.. have had to deal with these problems forever. they are not some left wing inspired issue. they are human psychology issues.

the topic at hand is how to deal with group dynamics while keeping the inclusive nature of the open source community. you proceeded to take the opportunity to reduce it to a left vs right issue.

you act as if group dynamics didn't exist before the "aging and nouveau hippies" even existed.

or if you prefer, you behave as if "over-inflated cases of self esteem" didn't exist before "aging and nouveau hippies"

i think its safe to say, you are one of those people who would rather somehow blame this on a political ideology rather than actually contribute anything useful to the conversation.

maybe you'd be better off if you didn't attempt to think about complex systems. your "over-inflated self esteem" has obviously made you think you were smart enough to discuss complex topics. you should get back to debating which short stop would make your favorite football team score more baskets.

Ultimately this fight, if we want this behavior to change, is the peoples fight. We need a resurgence of the "We write code." mentality of the 90s cypherpunks. The ISPs aren't going to stand up and fight, the UK govt looks to be as bought and sold as the US govt, and the muggles of the world don't really care as long as they get their sports and other mind numbing escapes in prime time television.

This is why we need some kind of distributed site location system that will lol at attempts made by evil regimes to censor information.

This is why we need some kind of distributed naming system that will lol at attempts made by evil regimes to censor information.

I wish I could mod you up. I was curious about the same thing. So many people saying they've moved on from Debian but never ever saying which distro they moved to.

I seriously question any one who would complain about this. They really must not understand how Debian releases work. Debian Jessie is frozen, which means there is a stringent process to go through in order to add changes, we have known it was going to be frozen for months and months. Their testing releases always go through a freeze period before it moves into stable. Stable means that typically the only changes are security fixes. Expecting Debian, a distro which really doesn't like non open source software anyway, to unfreeze for something like Chrome is just an odd request. If you need bleeding edge, you should move to a bleeding edge distro, I can recommend Arch as being fantastic for bleeding edge, there are plenty of others as well. Stable/LTS releases are not ever bleeding edge. In fact, stable/LTS releases are usually significantly behind. Or even better, they can go back to Windows. Wouldn't even notice if they left.

This debate needs to happen. Even if its just to make the media companies realize how ridiculous their pricing is. I think anyone who doesn't question the movie and music industries pricing regarding digital delivery is an idiot. If pirates sites and many independent legal content sites can stream movies to people for basically free, why can't the movie industry? Yes, I realize there are costs to recoup but surely the cost of digital delivery is no where near the cost of a physical disc.

Clearly the markets are not ready to accept their pricing of 17.99 for a digital copy of a movie they can't even have the file for.

There are only a few ways this is going to go imho.

1) The content industries will continue to gouge and pretend there is a sparsity of their product and the vast majority of the internet will continue to make copies for free.
2) The content industries will be successful in killing net neutrality and gain control of the method of distribution in the same way they did television and radio.
3) They will be successful in making laws such as tfa is discussing. Piracy will still be rampant. People will needlessly be in prison.
4) The industries will realize they can't use the same business models they used pre-internet and price as if there was competition and their product is not scarce anymore.

They also need to get off of this "No one will make movies or music anymore if they wont be paid" delusion. You don't even have to stretch your brain to see how much of a fallacy that is. Garage Bands. Basement DJs. Youtube level Movie makers. Hobbyists all over. Starving artists. etc..

Did the debate about whether or not this is really theft get answered?

Is a kid watching a movie on some streaming site stealing? Is it the same as looking around and slipping a Blu-Ray in your pocket at the local store? I think we should finish that debate before we change the question to how much prison time is appropriate.

The issue is not the technologies being used. The real issue is the governments that are refusing to tell us how they are using the technologies. We can not make informed decisions on what is being done in the name of the citizenry because we have no idea what they are doing.

If you want to break something, break the system of secrecy the goverments are building around you. How do we do that? I have no idea.

The common citizen doesn't have the resources -- time or money -- to accomplish real political change right now.

I would love to see the citizens have a positive debate on ways to fix things. But, as of right now, the people who seem to care the most about our current political problems are mired in some kind of bizarre left vs right blame game. As if both sides weren't actively trying to screw us. Every debate descends into who's at fault and the inevitable leap frog back through time picking examples why it was the 'other' side who started it all.

Wow. Is he a masochist? As others have stated above, for all of our terrible terrible problems, the US is a nice place to live. However, I don't think we've come far enough yet for him to return and receive a fair trial. His personal world here will never be the American Dream again. Too many muggles here are still drinking the 'Snowden is a Traitor' kool-aid.

His life in partial hiding is going to be better than the life in prison that our 'justice' system is sure to give him. In fact, I think he can make more of a difference as a figure head, speaking about the justice and liberties the US used to be known for. Show how a single individual can help improve upon the fucked up situation we're currently facing in the US.

I'm grateful for everything he has done, it took a real commitment and belief in justice to sacrifice his life in the US. I just really hope he doesn't end up spending his life in prison. A terrible fate for someone who is willing to give up so much to do what is right.

As I'm sure you're well aware, we have/had many open lists where vulnerabilities are/were shared openly, so I don't really need to personally create one. This is not about anyone feeling entitled. This is about the fact that these systems are more important than just their servers. A lot of the software and hardware used to power their systems are also powering banks, many governmental systems, hospital networks, and on and on and on. To take the approach that we'll patch a few and leave the rest open is terribly bad for everyone. If you can't see that, you're not looking wide angled enough. But thanks for snotty reply. :)

I find this path troubling. I could see this becoming a thing where only mega corporations benefit from this sharing, while leaving small companies, small projects, and the lowly common folk. These kinds of things should be discussed in the open. If someone knows of an exploit, it is irresponsible to not share this info so we can all band together and fix our fucking systems. It shouldn't only be the elite few in the circles of trust who get to fix their systems first.

Remember when we could look at these stories and say things like "Aww, those poor Chinese. Their government is awful, shady, intrusive, abusive, etc.." Now the U.S. government makes the Chinese government look good by comparison. -t

Yes. Do not allow our liberties to go away out of fear of what the worst case scenario could be. Statistics show the odds of dying from terrorism are extremely low. And there are plenty of other tools in their anti terror arsenal. They need to stop treating their own citizens as enemies and actually do targeted investigations.