Dealing with humans is harder than dealing with the kernel. Dealing how they interact with a computer is quite a bit different. It is an entire research subject. GNOME 3's deployment could have gone better. It would have been better to allow people to parallel install both and let them move when they were comfortable. The design itself continues to be a successful work in progress. Next iteration, I will likely make sure that we don't do it this way.

Let me a bit more succinct. I'm saying that the people who were building Linux based desktops took a lot of their design from windows 95, amigaos, and various other desktops that were there before. All the examples you've stated doesn't invalidate what I said. We took our designs from someone else. The most popular ones are based on windows 95, GNOME and KDE.

And so is GNOME 3. However, the usage patterns completely changed and a lot of people (rightfully) were upset. But over time, it has gained acceptance and winning people back to the desktop. That could have happened faster if we had parallel installable GNOME versions.

Why? What gives him the expertise to run a desktop project, exactly? Just because they are both software projects doesn't mean that he has the ability to lead a group of people working on UI and middleware projects. I don't think he's remotely interested in running it. Perhaps when I run into him at some conference I'll ask him. Perhaps you can ask him? In any case, I find it amusing that people think Linus is some kind of uber geek. Given the personal feedback he's given me, I know that his requirements are fairly modest compared to some.

I read that as 'start of the MBA season'.. and I was thinking.. no fucking wonder the guy had to leave. Jeezus.

Yes, an engineer which is great when you're dealing with computers. But a desktop is essentially dealing with humans which is a completely different problem set and I would say a lot harder. In GNOME, it takes an enormous time to get all the details right on a user interface. It is nothing like working with a kernel. It isn't as easy as you think it is. Even the early desktops took all their designs from Windows 95, copying a lot of the look and feel because nobody was trained on how to write a user interface. Even today we're still messing around with the same design.

I suppose you're just asking Linus Torvalds to re-engineer windows 95 interface, I suppose he could do that. But to do something new, and unique that requires an anthropologist.

You guys no nothing about Linus or how he likes to use his desktop. It's funny how people export their dreams and ideas to one man like this. The guy is not remotely qualified to write a desktop. Have you seen all the commands in git? The first round was a usability nightmare. Hell he himself would admit that.

You didn't use retard as a verb as it was clearly defined in your little snippet. You used it as a noun, and as a noun it has a different meaning the meaning you're getting beaten up for. Accept gracefully, and move on.

What do you mean to a lesser extent GNOME is heading in a similar direction? Just curious, because GNOME and Elementary share some close philosophical views on software use the same software stack.

This is a silly argument. Perhaps they don't want to beholden to Apple but would like a nicely designed OS with great apps without having to go through iTunes and what not. We can make this argument with just about anything else if we want. There are plenty of us who want to use free software because it is ethical and responsible.

They also hate designers. So, what do you do? There are a lot ore reasons why people are in Linux, some of it has nothing to do with well designed apps or eco-systems.

A lot of what you're talking about is being done in GNOME. In fact, GNOME tends to get flamed because in order to implement some of those things you have to break cultural norms. Breaking cultural norms will garner a lot of flames as people who like the status quo tend to quite upset even if they are not using GNOME. GNOME for instance is the first project to have visual designers and a culture where FOSS developers actually consult designers to get a pleasing designer. Not usual for a open source project.

There is not only an app store concept that is being developed, but also a sandboxing mechanism for better safety when you run your apps. On top of that, you should be able to use apps that have older libraries and so forth using a system that Lennart Poettering has come up with. Again though, we do have to change Unix cultural for some of these things.

Right now, we need to continually upgrade ourselves otherwise, it will be Android that wlll be the desktop of choice on Linux machines. In fact, even the identifier 'Linux' will be gone, nobody will even know that they are running Linux since FSF can't seem to come up with something better than 'GNU/Linux". *sigh*

Actually, hitting a button on your headset is easier. Your wrist is constantly in motion when you're running. Your head is relatively stationary so it is an easier target. While running you naturally swing your arms as a form of balance, to stop and try to use one hand to touch the other hand while maintaining a steady pace is awkward.

Or only pitbulls can kill people, cars, and rain.

This is so true. My wife, fixed our front loading washer looking at youtube video. You can even do tradesman craft if you know what you are doing.

Not really. These days, at least for big corps, they just scan that stuff in and then suck it into a database.

you're looking at over 30 years of Republican talking points starting from Reagan that has gotten into this state. Everything was about lowering taxes, and even though Reagan himself wasn't that crazy, everyone who followed him afterwards turned into something nuts. Now, some of this is of course resources and what not, but honestly, we need to change this thinking.

Yeah, that's true. But then nobody goes to college then you know what happens? They bring in immigrants who have the degrees. So, that is not going to work. You need to find a way to reduce the cost of middle management. That's where the real cost savings are. Not in workers.