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Comment Re:Violence against police ... (Score 1) 368

Despite the name, a persecutor's job is not to prosecute. It is to seek justice, if a case is wrong or sufficiently weak his job is to not prosecute.

Violating department policy is not against the law. It gets you fired, not put on trial.

Complaints filed against an officer do matter, it actually affects their careers. Its a certainty that some complaints are bogus but if one cop is getting a lot of them the department becomes suspicious. Many do look for bad cops, why? Because bad cops eventually get caught on tape and cost the city/county tens of millions in lawsuits. Many departments will get rid of bad cops because it costs them money.

Cameras are great. They keep the bad guy on both sides of the camera honest.

And as for volunteering to do my part, been there done that, seen things from the inside.

Comment Re:Violence against police ... (Score 1) 368

How many of the 10% shot with their own gun were shot by themselves or another police officer ?

The FBI stat was for officers shot in the line of duty, so suicide would not count. Regard another police officer, the other officer has his own gun so one cop accidentally shooting another would not count.

Comment Re:Violence against police ... (Score 1) 368

You are woefully ignorant of police. An MRAP does not make the average cop think he is in danger. It makes the average copy think he is safer because other cops are here and we have a whole lot of intimidation with us. MRAPs are not used for a lone cop on patrol, its used for groups of cops in special situations.

The steady rise of no-knock warrants over often petty offenses would suggest otherwise.

Not really. That has more to do with the SWAT teams using low risk warrant situations as ad-hoc training exercises for high risk warrant situations. You gotta practice with all that gear and those tactics.

The real problem is the militarization of police. Does every friggin department need a SWAT team? No. A large enough city or a county SWAT team, sure. SWAT teams get used because they exist, not necessarily because anyone is afraid.

Comment Re:Going for cop's gun drastically escalates situa (Score 1) 368

Prove he went for the cops gun. You can't, there is no evidence, and only the cop himself says it.

Skin tissue from his hand where the bullet grazed him is found in the car. His blood is on the gun, inside the car and on the cop's uniform in a manner consistent with the cop being seated in his car.

Comment Re:Violence against police ... (Score 1) 368

"reply verbally in kind" is not escalation. The citizen is well within their rights to say, "Well you don't need to be a complete asshole about it. Just shut up and give me the ticket."

That is not an escalation. Yelling at the cop and walking toward him to get in his face would be an escalation.

They would rather get into a physical altercation to defend their honor than to be bowed by a policeman breaking the law (which is what most likely will happen in my scenario).

A cop talking like an a-hole is not breaking the law. Perhaps it is breaking department policy. File a report. Yell and get in his face and you are a fool giving the rare bad cop the excuse he needs. You let him goad you into crossing the line. Getting played like that doesn't defend your honor, it just makes you look the fool, a sucker.

Comment Re:Violence against police ... (Score 1) 368

There is nothing brave about a criminal fighting a cop, its just an example of stupidity.

There's nothing brave or free about a situation where government thugs will use excessive force against someone who merely resists them, which is what is happening. I expect cops to behave absolutely professionally and to respect people's liberties even in extreme circumstances.

The problem is some people have a strange definition of excessive force. There was just another shooting near Ferguson. An 18 year old pointed a 9mm pistol at a cop and was shot. Protesters are at the police station claiming he should have been tasered or maced.

When being arrested you are no longer at liberty, that is sort of the inherent definition of being under arrest.

Acting professionally, yes, that is required.

Comment Re:Violence against police ... (Score 1) 368

the problem is all of the innocent people who get hassled and harrassed by the police. like random patdowns, or civil foreclosure, or general mafioso-style intimidation tactics. when you put thugs and criminals in a blue suit they are still thugs and criminals.

If you want to talk about the militarization of the police, civil forfeitures, etc I'm with you. However the fact remains that the police do a dangerous job even when done right and that violence against police, again 10% of those shot are shot with their own gun, is the primary thing behind the police resorting to deadly force so quickly. Getting into a wrestling match or fist fight may be a minor thing to you and I but it is *not* so to a cop. While there are a few "thugs in blue", most of the shootings are "self defense by blue".

Comment Re:Going for cop's gun drastically escalates situa (Score 1) 368

Brown was shot because he escalated the situation to a "high risk arrest" by going for the cop's gun.

it was never an arrest situation to begin with, it was just an a-hole cop bullying people on the street. sometimes people get tired of being bullied.

"At 11:53 a.m., a dispatcher reported a "stealing in progress" at the Ferguson Market and a brief description of the suspect, who was believed to have taken a packet of cigars. Officers were told to look for a black male wearing a white T-shirt, running toward the QuikTrip convenience store. Additional information was soon added: the man was wearing a red Cardinals hat, khaki shorts and yellow socks; a second man was with him. At noon, Wilson asked the officers searching for the robbery suspects if they needed assistance. An officer responded that the men had disappeared. Two minutes later, at 12:02 p.m. Wilson radioed in, "Put me on Canfield with two. And send me another car," a request for additional officers. Sources have told the newspaper that prior to making that call, Wilson claimed he told Brown and his friend Dorian Johnson to stop walking in the street. Wilson said it was after that that he recognized that Brown matched the robbery suspect's description, called for backup and stopped his SUV next to the two men."
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/fe...

Comment Re:Going for cop's gun drastically escalates situa (Score 1) 368

Um, he got shot more than once. More than twice. More than three times. Perhaps ONE of the six times he was shot, his hands were near the gun. Which says NOTHING about whether or not he was in the car.

Except for the fact that the bullet fired in the car tore off some skin tissue and left it in the car.

Comment Re:Violence against police ... (Score 1) 368

People who are compliant tend not to get shot.

"Comply or die." -The land of the free and the home of the brave

There is nothing brave about a criminal fighting a cop, its just an example of stupidity. They rarely get away with it, maybe they delay the arrest at the price of more charges and longer incarceration. Smart criminals comply, thereby avoiding injury and getting out of jail sooner.

Comment Re:Violence against police ... (Score 2) 368

Again, exceptions don't prove the rule. You have an odd definition of "exceptions", when I specifically included both the bad cops and the rest of their departments.

Not really. The exception I referred in both my posts was a video showing bad behavior by police. A video is what we call anecdotal, not statistical. The number of police is a single video is irrelevant.

Why, in that first video I linked, you don't get to see the context - That the guy had just run over a spike mat, lost control of the vehicle, and almost hit a cop. Clearly that missing details justifies half a dozen armed thugs beating the shit out of an unconscious guy lying bleeding on the side of the highway

You have an odd definition in "context". When a spiked mat is layed out they are generally dealing with a fleeing suspect who is endangering civilians in some manner, i.e. high speed chase. Getting dragged out of the car, forcibly put on the ground and handcuffed is a pretty reasonable response. Also the odds are fair in such incidents that the suspect was armed when things started. That said, there is no excuse for beating a suspect.

And that is why police hate hate hate mandatory camera policies ...

Actually in that department in California where the long term test has been going on the officers like the cameras.

Comment Re:Violence against police ... (Score 1, Insightful) 368

Police who are overly aggressive and verbally abusive tend to provoke ordinary citizens with a sense of dignity and self respect. When citizens reply verbally in kind to unfair and abusive treatment from the police ...

Actually by doing so the citizen is escalating the situation too. As the Mayor of NY told is son, just shut up and comply and things can get sorted out at the police station. Ie file a report against the officer. Escalating things at the scene is a dumb thing to do.

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