Comment Re:I wouldn't use NASA (Score 1) 126
But NASA don't currently have a warhead.
But NASA don't currently have a warhead.
If you'll go to the trouble of checking, you'll find that the Russians are currently at two failures in 120-low launches, as compared to two failures in 135 launches for Shuttle.
So, go to NASA and ask for a quote on a shuttle launch.
Yes, NASA have a better record than Roscosmos. But, since they don't actually have a man rated launch system at the moment, the point is moot.
Yay! Slashdot moron mods strike again!
Someone makes a perfectly insightful and informative comment and gets modded troll.
There are only two agencies that can launch you into space (on a tested vehicle) today -- Roscosmos (RKA) and the CNSA. Every one saying "ESA", "NASA", "Space-X" or whatever is saying they don't want to go into space today.
So serious Linux users are facing a small number of choices:
1. To continue to use older, pre-systemd Linux distros for as long as is practically possible.
2. To use Linux Mint, which for the time being is the only major and usable modern Linux distro that isn't forcing systemd on its users.
3. Move to some other operating system, typically one of the BSDs, or even Windows.
Collectively, modern Linux distros are quickly becoming a systemd monoculture, and experience has shown us that monocultures are dangerous, especially in the context of software.
In what way is Debian Jessie not a "major and usable modern Linux distro"?
systemd is one of the init systems available for Jessie If you want to use sysvinit, uupstart or openrc feel free.
There is no such thing as hate speech. Doesn't exist. Not a legal concept in the United States.
And everybody knows that lawyers get to define reality.
If you go to the store and purchase something, logically that is your property.
What planet are you living on?
In what way is syslogd not "fine for most people's needs"?
Shit, read a comment 300 times before posting and still make a stupid mistake.
I of course meant to write:
In what way is [systemd] not "fine for most people's needs"?
Seems like nobody wants to make phones any more.
--#1, systemd takes away choice. Binary logging by default is incredibly bad, and I don't want to have to change it manually every time I do an install.
The defaut for Debian Jessie is to install rsyslogd. If you want some other syslog then just apt-get install it. I can't see what choice it's taking away.
I think way too many distros are changing over to systemd when it's not really what a lot of people want or need. SysV was OK, Upstart was fine for most people's needs.
In what way is syslogd not "fine for most people's needs"?
Give me a sane
On Debian Jessie rc.local is run on boot.
$ systemctl status rc.local
* rc-local.service -/etc/rc.local Compatibility
Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/rc-local.service; static)
Active: active (exited) since Tue 2015-07-07 17:10:26 CEST; 17h ago
Process: 616 ExecStart=/etc/rc.local start (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS)
--Systemd resembles the MCP from TRON too much for my taste,
No, it doesn't. There are no glowing neon effects
it's taking over too many functions and subsystems.
Like? And no, don't cite dhcpclient, or ntpd, I'm running systemd based systems with stock dhcpclient and ntp.
I've also seen reports of systems being unable to boot that are running systemd when they were working fine before they were upgraded.
I've seen reports of systems that were working fine before upgrades of almost all software you could choose to name. The question is whether those bugs were fixed.
--#2, Linux Mint Debian edition is pretty reputable, I wouldn't exactly call it niche.
Well, I consider it niche, but then again I consider Ubuntu niche
Devuan admittedly needs to do a general ISO release to make sure it gets better exposure and testing (update - I just checked their page and it looks like they have made progress in the last couple of months, so I plan to test Devuan $soon.)
I still don't know what Devuan is for -- it's a version of Jessie that doesn't have systemd, but systemd is an optional feature of Jessie.
--I'm not an AC. I've been using/adminning Linux since 1996, and I *despise* systemd. I'm looking into Mint Debian edition #2, Void, and Devuan to get away from systemd.
Great, a real human being.
1. You "despise" systemd. Care to be more concrete. What do you think is "insane" about systemd? In what way is rsyslog not a valid logging solution?
2. You're looking into a whole bunch of niche distros and vapourware. Why not just use Debian Jessie?
I met the man.
(Worked on contract for Markt und Technic, the German (Munich) company that bought Dr Dobbs. Interesting people, trying to set up a the Well like system on Unix servers in the late 80's)
Get off my lawn, noob.
Sorry? We're talking about Debian Jessie here.
Update to a recent Gnome and it will bellyache about logind, that in turn is part of system[d]. End result, what used to be a desktop that can run on top of any init requires a specific init.
Or install consolekit2, or systemd-shim.
Factorials were someone's attempt to make math LOOK exciting.
