You need to check your facts. The government didn't create employer health care plans. The market did. Now don't get me wrong, the market was reacting to a different government intervention (namely WWII wage freezes), but there is no law that says,"Companies with more than N employees, must offer health insurance."

The reason why the ACA didn't move towards single-payer model (like most (yes, capitalist) countries) is that employers and insurance companies do not want that. Insurance companies don't want competition that would actually provide coverage, and employers like the fact that employees are indentured to them for health coverage. Make no mistake, the individual mandate, and no single payer is the Republican plan. In fact, it was famously the opposing position to the Clinton health care plan (aka "Hillarycare").

No, what I'm saying is that your own statements are proof enough of your misogyny.

I withdrawal and apologize for my paraphrase. I'm surprised and happy to learn that you also believe that there is a problem with a culture of gender discrimination by the practitioners of computer science, and that this needs to be rectified. I also am surprised that to find that, as you put it "claim[ing] the right to put men at a disadvantage in any given situation", is not misandry, or as I more literally put it "man-hating".

The assertions I wanted you to back up were:
1) Feminism seeks to discriminate against men.
2) Those take exception at perceived (which is not in opposition to actuality) gender and sexual discrimination, are simply bomb-throwers that want to undermine accepted and acceptable norms.
3) The implicit point that "Feminazis want to destroy computer science by dumbing it down and make it too appealing to women and girls."

You don't get to misdefine terms and then taking umbrage at when you're called on it. No more than someone gets to say, "I don't see what the big deal about pedophiles are," and then turn around and say, "I defined 'pedophiles' as 'caring parents', so screw you child-haters."
 

You don't know that, and I gave specific examples of where graffiti and CS intersect, while you have given nothing but loud and repeated assertions to support yours. The whole point of this project is to get someone in the door and thinking about possibilities. Perhaps you get all hot and bothered thinking about installing printer drivers, writing some timecard application in Visual Basic, or tweaking the borders on some random intranet webpage to get it work in IE6, but most people don't, but that's most people in CS do. Only an exceedingly few get paid to do exactly what they want to do.

The fact is most people -- including the best
people in CS think of it as simply a job, an interesting job, better than most jobs, but still just a job, not a lifestyle. Well-rounded people have interests outside of their job. As one I know put it, "I spend 10 hours a day five days a week either sitting at a computer, or sitting in meetings talking about computers. Why the hell would I want to do that on my days off? I'm riding my bike."

You're just over-reacting to people coming in to your subculture that didn't grow up like you.

No one is saying computer science has a culture context. What people are saying is that computer scientists have a cultural context, and that's obvious since they are human.

If dance or graffiti or whatever inspires someone to stay in school, study hard, and then get a six-figure salary, then who gives a fuck what the initial reason was?

Put up or shut up.

You make these assertions, but never once support them. You are behaving exactly like misogynist. Listen to yourself. "There's nothing wrong here, and only those with illegitimate positions think there is. If you say there is, you must be some sort of man-hating bitch, so your opinion is worthless, which reinforces my belief." You've created a epistemological closure.

How the fuck is saying we need more outreach to the 51% of the population that isn't male, and the 28% of the population that isn't white or asian, "discriminating" against anyone? You have very odd definitions of words, that have no basis in reality.

Yeah, there's certainly no CS in Eye Writer or Time Writer.

Of course, you never bothered to actually read the link before you go off and loudly spout your uniformed opinions about how damn liberals are trying to dumb these down for the minorities, and thus undercut "our" exalted position in society. If you had bothered to read the link, you'd know that it says:

Heaven forbid anyone first start coding something that they find interesting!

You are exactly the reason why these program need to exist.

And yet...

No one is politicizing science here. We're discussing the sub-culture of the practitioners. Or are we supposed to believe that RMS's Emacs Virgins (who are all women mind you) is acceptable behavior.

Really? How many of which? How many of the blacks and latinos were Americans, and how many were international students?

And yet you don't say the same thing about the young white engineer that got into software to "change the world."

Do you honestly think that some minority is really so stupid to no understand what is required for a job he interviewed and was hired for?

Feminism is a collection of movements and ideologies aimed at defining, establishing, and defending equal political, economic, and social rights for women.[1][2] This includes seeking to establish equal opportunities for women in education and employment. A feminist advocates or supports the rights and equality of women

-- Wikipedia

Now, I look forward to your definition.

Um... yeah it is. (âoeThe sexual harassment is part of the culture. If you remove that from the fighting game community, itâ(TM)s not the fighting game community") It's also hyper macho, homophobic and racist, you retarded nigger cocksucking faggot pussy.

You can "get tired of this shit" all you want. Hell, I'm also "tired of this shit" too. I can't believe that we're still having these conversations, because people like you refuse to acknowledge what's perfectly obvious.

We must be the same age since you talk about learning to program basic on a Apple //e. For me, it was a C=64. You say it cost you a "hundred lawns." Fine. I saved for mine as well, but I bet your daddy drove you to K-Mart to buy it, just like mine did. (Yes kiddies, K-Mart sold computers back in the day.) "No one could prevent [you]"? Yeah right. I'm sure your parents could have, but they didn't. I will tell you this, you existed in a cultural milieu that encouraged programming. Home computers were cool status symbol in white suburbia. BYTE. Compute! ENTER, Even 321 Contact Magazine had programming examples. Today, where are those programming milieus? The same places they were 30 years ago: rich (i.e. white, asian, and indian) suburban schools. Face it, only the middle class had the disposable income to spend on these electronic contrivances. The question is, who is encouraging potential underrepresented engineers? Who is even telling them that programming is even a possibility for them? People are influenced by what they see.

You say that women won't make sacrifices to produce a game on time. So what are you saying? Women are quitters? Is that why girls are just as interested in STEM in grade and middle school, but then drop out in high school and college? Or is it, that they simply don't want to put up with the shit they're subjected to on a daily basis. I've been in the meetings where "the girl's" judgement is habitually questioned. The meetings where she stands up for herself, and then afterwards the men say she's either "PMSing" or is a "bitch."

You say calling some one sexist is slander. I say calling you sexist, isn't, because your post is evidence enough. You don't even seen your own white male privilege.

For fuck's sake, open your goddamn eyes. Read something that challenges your presumptions. Do something intelligent for once.

And /. wonders where the sexism is.

Jesus fucking christ. Believing that women are just as smart and capable as any man, and deserve to be treated as as such, is used as a slur.

So are you being sarcastic or not? I can't tell anymore. The sexism in the "hard" sciences has been well documented, and I've observed it myself.

As far as racism goes, I don't know. I do no that there was like ONE black student in my CS classes, and that they're very underrepresented in CS. Latinos? I never saw one. The closes I've come across were Argentinians and they identify as white.