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Comment Re:An opinion from a layman (Score 1) 192

One of the big problems is that anti-psychotic drugs have severe, and sometimes fatal, side effects. (Many of them cause severe weight gain, often enough to lead to diabetes.)

Sure, but the problem is that the illnesses themselves are dangerous.

Suicide attempts are dangerous. Running off, doing and believing weird things is dangerous.

It's not safe to just not treat these illnesses. It's the fallacy of the false alternative, to believe that we could choose to just not treat them and avoid the problem of side effects.

Comment Re:Nonsense. (Score 1) 192

Your comment is completely misinformed.

From the National Institute of Mental Health:

Mental disorders are common in the United States and internationally. An estimated 26.2 percent of Americans ages 18 and older — about one in four adults — suffer from a diagnosable mental disorder in a given year. When applied to the 2004 U.S. Census residential population estimate for ages 18 and older, this figure translates to 57.7 million people.

I don't have the figures for 2004, but I do have the figures for 2012 regarding homelessness. From the US Department of Housing and Urban Development:

On a single night in 2012 there were 633,782 homeless people in the United States[...]

Dividing by the US population in 2012 (312.8 million), we get 0.00202615728, or, 0.2%

So 26.2% of Americans are mentally ill, and 0.2% of Americans are homeless. So no, it's not a "positively idiotic statement." The mentally all are all around us, and perhaps the reason the study can't pin down why they're dying younger is because people are under the impression that you can easily spot someone who's mentally ill. Yeah, a lot of homeless people are mentally ill. But about a quarter of everyone is mentally ill, and trying to put the mentally ill into a box means that most of those people will go untreated because they'll be ashamed of their disease.

Pretty much by definition, the severity of a mental illness is measured by the degree of impairment to your life.

So let's not conflate the large numbers of people diagnosed with relatively mild degrees of mental illness with the seriously mentally ill. The seriously mentally ill are quite disproportionately homeless, unemployed, dependent upon others, etc.

The inability to manage one's own affairs and to get along with others is, not surprisingly, detrimental to other aspects of health.

Comment Re:Schizophrenics are HEAVY smokers (Score 1) 192

Certainly, psychotropic medications can have some pretty serious side effects.

On the other hand, they are used to treat very serious illness. Many of the symptoms of mental illnesses are dangerous. As with all medications, there is a trade off between the benefit of the medication and the detriment of the side effects.

The meds you mention, Thorazine and haloperidol, are pretty old school BTW. These days newer atypical antipsychotics would usually be tried first.

Comment in addition to poor choices associated with ... (Score 4, Interesting) 192

In addition to the poor choices associated with irrationality ... remember that these are diseases of the brain. Complex syndromes that have effects beyond behavior and thinking. For example, depression is associated with pain.

Some interesting reading: Peter Kramer's Against Depression.

Comment Re:Some context (Score 1, Insightful) 462

California doesn't regulate the prices of electric vehicles: they require that either 1% of vehicle sales be zero-emission, or that the car manufacturer buy zero-emission credits.

Nobody is forcing Fiat to build an electric car, and nobody is forcing them to sell that car at a loss.

That doesn't make any sense.

"Nobody's forcing you to pay protection money. You could just let Guido here break your legs."

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