Seriously?

> But right now we're talking about tictock: can we talk about Winnie the Pooh there? Uyghurs? Tiananmen Square?

You can talk about all those things here. This is social media of sorts and is wide open from China, and it can be a cesspit of sinophobia at times, not to mention plain ignorance.

Do you know the same isn't the case on tiktok? I'd suggest the Chinese government wouldn't care, since tiktok inside China has a completely different user base and even algorithm - not that it's content is any more wholesome, imo. When the USA government describes the Chinese version, it sounds nothing like what it actually is like. Tiktok isn't the only such platform in China too - alipay and wechat both have something similar. Wechat's is more wholesome, imo. I've not experienced alipay's, but my impression is it is also quite uncontroversial. Tiktok, though, is full of women flaunting themselves, car/bike accidents which have to be serious/fatal, and other dashcam stuff, airline "Karen" moments (look set up to me). Really, none of them are good, imo. Wechat's is the least objectionable, but I'm sure some western companies would complain about the number of TV clips from Friends and other US TV shows.

You seem to be agreeing that they are lies. Fair enough. I wonder if you have any references for your claim.

I don't quite see what you're suggesting.

China has allowed tiktok inside China but it has to follow certain rules/etc. that they consider beneficial for everyone, ie week the algorithm to be healthier, and store Chinese data inside China, etc.

I don't see where China are saying that the USA should not do the same thing.

Wrong argument. The correct argument is to question who actually made up this "record", and what's the real truth behind it. Most of the organisations a typically quoted are just thin covers for the CIA who lie their arses off, and then there's the western media who aren't much better.

You neglect to mention that China was a developing nation, and technically still is. Such nations are typically given a free pass, and it is usual that it actually benefits the original manufacturers. For example, no way would Microsoft Windows be so pervasive if they enforced their IP in China, but everyone got used to it so now Microsoft are raking it in, and any alternatives have a huge upstream fight, even with a government that could largely dictate what people use, just by mandating it in the government.

Lol, play by our rules like we've coerced most others into doing, or else take your ball and go home.
It sounds to me like the 2nd option is an option and nothing at all like a bully.
Actually, you kind of have it backwards.

What is this track record of what you speak? It sounds an awful lot like you're referring to the USA, not China.

I think you'll find the chronology is the opposite of what you suggest.

The USA is the aggressor, as it always is. It can't have any peer on any level and will do anything it can to prevent it.

That's basically the GFW.

Isn't it true that the 1st amendment doesn't only apply to usa citizens? I recall someone suggesting it applies to foreigners too, albeit when they are in the USA's jurisdiction. Perhaps I'm wrong...

> we are not so authoritarian to stop people from accessing things

It's not so clear cut. For a start, for those inclined, it's perfectly possible to access any web site outside mainland China from inside, including without a vpn. It could be impractical for most, but most really don't care because there are better domestic alternatives focused on them.
Secondly, there are examples of the USA preventing access to things. For example, they stopped Chinese cellphone service providers, cgtn on broadcast TV, and, soon, tiktok.
Then there are companies like Google and Cloudflare who make it difficult for people who go the vpn route (again, not required) to access sites/services outside mainland China, by targeting vpn servers in other countries but used in China. There are also geofenced media services which are a pita. Dvd region codes forced on us, requiring those of us who travel to circumvent or repurchase our movie collection.
Lots of examples.
Perhaps not what you meant, but still.

Your description shows that tiktok/bytedance is just the new huawei.

Essentially, the complaint is not about the Chinese companies or Chinese government doing anything it shouldn't. The complaint is that the USA cannot do it (as easily). That is the whole problem. The USA thinks it should be the only one who is allowed to spy or hoover up data wholesale, and it is the only one who has been proven to be doing so. Any similar attempts by other countries pale into insignificance.

The usa government are just literally sinophobic, they're everywhereelseophobic. I guess that is what happens when you look in the mirror and see what you've become.

Except, that "funnelling" has not been proven and the small breaches of anything similar have been addressed. Tiktok has basically tried to jump through all the hoops that the USA government has asked it to.

The Chinese government didn't need to outlaw Facebook. Facebook preempted them by breaking the law. People actually died. Real, full-on terrorism.
Or do you think that Facebook should be allowed to break the laws of countries in which it operates, or only follow usa laws? Frankly, the USA has the same or similar laws, so it wouldn't make any difference.