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Comment Smooth Streaming, not WMV (Score 1) 338

Silverlight (WMV) is in a standards based format, you can check it out in Mono.

These are actually Smooth Streaming files.

http://www.iis.net/extensions/SmoothStreaming

FWIW, Silverlight 3 supports WMV, MPEG-4 (with H.264), Smooth Streaming, and supports managed code decoders and parsers to add additional formats.

Comment Re:How badly do I want to see it? (Score 1) 338

Same goes for anyone "subscribing" to media outlets for a long time which requires Silverlight . It probably means they are easily bought out.

What else would you use if you wanted to do cost-effective live HD streaming?

Media companies who use Silverlight are mainly using it to do stuff there aren't any other ways to do.

We're seeing a huge amount of live sports projects using Silverlight, because nothing else can deliver the same experience economically.

Her's a bunch of high-profile projects: http://team.silverlight.net/

Comment Re:I know why. (Score 3, Interesting) 338

However, exactly when did the 'web shift to a "presumed hostile" state?

2000 or so? Probably when always-on broadband become common.

I ask because by my count, we've been in a hostile environment for years. And throughout those years, Microsoft has either introduced some very disturbing implementations or promised secure implementations that later fall short of these grand claims

Certainly XP as released was way too trusting. But I think Microsoft's track record has been quite positive since XPSP2. I wasn't around for that period, but it definitely got people VERY focused on security as something that has to be baked into product design from the inception of the product. Vista, IE 7/8, Silverlight, Office 2003/2007 all have had much better security records than their predecessors.

Lots of complaints about Microsoft products, most notably Vista, are on areas where Microsoft prioritized security over simplicity or backwards compatibility. And that's a problem for everybody, including Mac and Linux, with years of regular security updates ahead of us.

It's been easier in Silverlight since there wasn't anything to be backwards comaptible to. But there are defintley features that have been cut, delayed, or reduced in scope due to the test cost of verifying security. Every feature gets a threat model and security test plan before it gets approved.

We're really serious about it. On the media side, for example, there's a lot of fuzz testing of malformed bitstreams to make sure there's no way to cause a crash that could then lead to an exploit.

Comment Re:I know why. (Score 1) 338

Very rarely. When I do, I use any one of a number of available tools that fetch the .flv and watch it with mplayer. A simple http:/// link to a video file is superior in every imaginable way to this embedded garbage.

Check out some links to the player in action. It does a whole lot of stuff that MPlayer can't.

It's really more like a Blu-ray or Director style media playback application. It's not just a rectangle with some codecs.

Comment Re:I know why. (Score 2, Insightful) 338

I already have a video player on my system, and Silverlight offers me nothing that I can't do without it.

Sure it can. Check out the player experience, and its navigation, commentary, captioning, etcetera. And it uses Smooth Streaming to provide proxy-cachable video at multiple bitrates.

http://alexzambelli.com/blog/2009/03/27/smooth-streaming-white-paper/

It does however potentially contain vulnerabilities that could compromise my system

FWIW, Silverlight so far has had 0 exploits over three versions. It's done well compared to other media players in the same period. One advantage of a relatively recent technology is that it was designed for security from the get-go, after the web had shifted to its current "presumed hostile" state.

Comment This site needs Silverlight (Score 1) 338

I don't care that it's MS Research. The irritating part is that my "browser is not compatible" because I don't use silverlight.

What browser do you use?

Also, if you look at the design of the video experience, it really couldn't be done without Silverlight. This isn't just a simple video player, but with integrated captions, commentary, graphical links, and delivered via Smooth Streaming.

It's really a media player app using Silverlight as the runtime; there's certainly many thousands lines of source for the managed code driving that experience.

Comment Re:I know why. (Score 1) 338

Um, wait. Mono is said to be a free as in speech implementation of C#, but aren't the codecs, which are what really matters for watching video, still proprietary? (Not a rhetorical question; I'd really like to know.)

The video codces in Silverlight 3 are H.264 (ISO standard) and VC-1 (SMPTE standard). So, they're open specifications but the patents are licensed from MPEG-LA.

Moonlight offers to download fully licensed binary implementations of the Silverlight codecs from Microsoft.

Comment Client Profile is 28 MB (Score 4, Informative) 598

200+ is for all the developer goo.

The Client Profile for .NET 3.5 SP1, which is all that's needed to install a .NET app on a machine that doesn't have .NET 3, is 28 MiB.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc656912.aspx

And Silverlight is less than 5 MiB if the app can run entirely in the Silverlight sandbox.

Mono is 75 MiB on Windows, 56 MiB on Mac, . Moonlight is (really?) 941 KiB.

Comment Re:It's a toughy (Score 1) 459

Wrong. Pretty much all DVD players by LG, Samsung and Sony support DivX, not to mention every video-capable portable media player from the PSP to chinese-made "MP4 players", none of which support h.264.

But none of the cable/sat set top boxes do Part 2, and there are tons of those. And they account for many, many more eye-ball hours than Part 2 on DVD players; most users have probably never watched a "divx" file off disc.

Flash and Silverlight don't have Part 2 support. QuickTime does SP, but not ASP.

I'm confident the number of H.264 players in use today is substantailly bigger than for MPEG-4 part 2.

Comment Re:It's a toughy (Score 1) 459

XviD isn't even a candidate in this, even though it has far wider support in both hardware and software than h.264. Why? "ohh, h.264 is much better". What makes you think the same won't happen with h.264 itself?

No, I bet H.264 has more decoders out there than MPEG-4 ASP. There're certainly much more content, and more authoring tools.

ASP really only caught on in the piracy scene.

Plus MPEG-4 Part 2 is also licensed by MPEG-LA, so it doesn't address licensing issues, but it'd a lot weaker codec than H.264.

Comment Silverlight 3 supports arbitrary codecs. (Score 1) 459

Microsoft hasn't commented, which isn't the same as supporting neither. However, considering that silverlight 3.0 is slated to support H.264, I suspect that says a lot by itself.

Silverlight 3's Raw AV pipeline should be able to support Ogg Theora/Vorbis:

http://on10.net/blogs/benwagg/Silverlight-3-Beta-Whatrsquos-New-for-Media/

Someone's already working on a port of the Ogg wrapper and Vorbis for Silverlight and Moonlight:

http://veritas-vos-liberabit.com/monogatari/2009/03/moonvorbis.html

Comment Re:Apple and Xiph (Score 2, Informative) 459

It seems like Apple has something against implementing any Xiph codec... FLAC and Vorbis support in iTunes is nonexistent, and even with the QuickTime plugin, iTunes still doesn't have proper tagging support. And now refusing to add Theora support in Safari?

No need for conspiracy theories. Theora doesn't solve any problems for Apple.

Theora won't work in iPods, iPhones, or AppleTV.

And Theora is less efficient than even H.264 baseline, and so would raise their (presumably quite substantial) bandwidth costs for delivering video content.

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