parents CHARGING kids for something ? that is unthinkable and almost a heresy in turkey. kids are supposed to set up a life for themselves when they grow up. and being down in the luck sure causes strain and fights when kids have to live with their families. but, noone 'charges' their kids for anything.

its easy to see why the societal atmosphere is so fucked up in america. im someone who is quite to the intellectual-and-not-going-to-marry scale and totally anti-traditional as far as these things go, but, proposition of 'charging' my kid for anything, goes beyond my perception parameters.

so, you think that if you took out the taxes, the health 'industry' would just keep providing you service from lower rates, and would not jack up the rates to gain those removed taxes as profits ?

that kind of naivete allows people to be screwed.

if that is the case in america, that you go bankrupt with one extended hospital stay despite 1-2 million capped health insurance, i can say that that country and its system are pretty much done for.

and why didnt u.s. got through 1929 recession with the same method ? huh ?

diets are annoying if you are the one doing the diet, and some minority is staying fat despite eating all the food and needing to diet.

this is what greeks are objecting.

none of the average greek's 'consumption' would come up higher than lower middle age standards. being generally socialist in nature, not to mention mediterranean, these people dont have much spending. if they did, they would have a volumous economy, even if the economy was one that was constantly fluctuating.

let me tell you what happened :

previous greek government, right wing, sold the greek assets worth around $10 bil to wall street banks for dimes. overnight, $10 bil of public assets vanished. and now imf, which is another organization that is in wall street alliance, is forcing greek people to pay for it.

if you track a 'serial number' of a device enough, you can easily map the tracked to particular persons after you amass a certain size of data. this is what websites are doing.

how badly the european style privacy and 'forget me' laws were necessary.

'any system being susceptible to perversion' is not an excuse to employ a system that encourages accumulating and using power. that's what capitalism does.

you are still ignoring inconvenient truth : those who have the hoards of cash, will not stand by while you try to undo their power (wealth). they already shaped system into what they desire, and to undo it, you will need to stage a semi-revolution. and when you actually 'balance' the capitalism by introducing sufficient amount of its antithesis (socialism) in the system so that abuse will become less, you will have just reset the clock. those who are wealthier will again start turning the system around to their advantage through the power (wealth) you have not neutralized.

the catch here is not 'not giving something back to system' or else - the catch here is, some minority being able to hold disproportionate amount of power. if they have it, they will use it.

yeees. the competitors, who would be following the same practice because it makes more money for them too. and also 'industry practice'. ................

as long as stupid people like you exist, who think that there is 'some great plains out there to which you can just move on' ............

well, you just deserve being exploited. this is all that what you say portrays.

it was as grim as he let it on. unfortunately. its a grotesque reading in history.

all peasant insurrections were harshly suppressed until end of 14th century.

and that is the reason why we suffer these abuses. your refusal can not change the mechanics of a social dynamic. if you allow individuals and groups to accumulate power in any fashion - be it wealth, political, or military, they will eventually use that power to subdue others. this, has never been different in the history of this planet. sure, it may be convenient - feudalism was also very convenient for peasants - lords had to go to wars, whereas peasants were safe back in the villages. but, it was still subservience. and not surprisingly, the lords had eventually turned the thing around in 1-2 centuries and changed even that.

those businesses will start behaving exactly like these, when one of companies like these come and start competing with them with these methods. they have no choice. otherwise they would go under.

allowing bad behavior, forces others to the same behavior.

congrats. you have grasped the precise essence of capitalism.