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Comment Re: Teenagers will do stupid things? (Score 1) 387

You've no facts to use. You are speculating with prejudice. Courts are not rational actors.

On the contrary, it is a fact that Mr. Snay has stated in a deposition that he explicitly told his daughter.

FWIW, I regard the incident as something like an unfortunate accident with disproportionately severe consequences, and I hope the family gets to keep the settlement, but I don't think the prospects look good. I would be interested in knowing what the outcome would have been if the daughter had actually guessed the existence and nature of the settlement. If you have any facts about how the circuit court came to its decision in favor of Mr. Snay, I would be interested.

Comment Re:Teenagers will do stupid things? (Score 1) 387

Besides, you aren't listening to what I say, only arguing about what you think I meant in one post and comparing it to what you think I meant in another, and calling me wrong.

I am responding to what you write, and if that's different from what you think, you need to get your thoughts and/or words better organized. For example, in the above quote, you seem to think that you are not contradicting yourself if the positions in question are in different posts. If that's not what you meant, then you made your statement unclear by bringing separate posts into it (and if it is what you meant, then you are simply wrong.)

Here's just one example:

The court's finding later may reverse this. If it does, then the court will have decided twice in opposite ways. Does that make court illogical as well?

The court system is not in a logical contradiction because it has not asserted the conjunction of the two positions. The lower court asserted one position, then the appeals court overrode it.

Exactly what I said. It is both, but separated by time or other distinction. The same facts will be found to be two opposite things. One at first glance (the lower court ruling that this article was about) and another can be found when more scrutiny is applied. Both are true. Both are correct.

It does not follow from my answer to your question that both judgments are correct. That would be a contradiction. In reality, at most one of these judgments is correct. Ultimately, it is by the rules of the court that the one from the higher court is chosen.

As for the sentence "The same facts will be found to be two opposite things", that's just gibberish. No-one could divine with any degree of certainty what you thought that meant.

Let me remind you of the original issue: Mysidia stated that the Snay's best option would have been to fabricate a story in which they never actually told the daughter about the settlement (implying that she guessed), and I pointed out that any such plan would have depended on the daughter never revealing that this was false. Your response was a non-sequitur on several grounds, not least because, as anyone who had read the exact wording of the article would know, and contrary to what you were assuming at that time, there is no doubt now that the daughter had been told that there was a favorable settlement, a fact that makes any speculation over whether she guessed both irrelevant and factually mistaken. The extent of uncertainty over what was said to the daughter was exaggerated in your mind, because you did not read the articles with sufficient diligence. You should understand that your personal ignorance is not evidence of a general lack of knowledge.

Having been contradicted by the facts in this case, you attempted to rephrase your position, and managed to contradict yourself over whether the daughter's guessing of the facts would or would not be grounds for voiding the settlement. This is not particularly important, as it has already been established by Mr. Snay's own deposition that this is not what happened, and your arguments here are only part of a futile attempt to unsay what you had previously stated. It is, however, an indication of your predilection for invalid arguments.

That you don't understand doesn't make me wrong...

Here's another contradiction, all in one thread:
"We don't have the details about the NDA clause in the agreement'
"The NDA presumes that if news leaks, the "other party" leaked it.'
Your language here is refreshingly straightforward, so if the evident meaning is not what you meant, the problem is yours.

...It just makes you dumb.

A loser's tacit admission that he has lost.

Comment Re:Teenagers will do stupid things? (Score 1) 387

Just saying 'nope' isn't an argument. The fact remains that the logical contradiction in your position, that you are incapable of explaining away, means that your original claims have collapsed.

The court system is not in a logical contradiction because it has not asserted the conjunction of the two positions. The lower court asserted one position, then the appeals court overrode it.
 

Comment Re:Teenagers will do stupid things? (Score 1) 387

Now you are blatantly contradicting yourself. First you argue that the agreement could be saved by claiming that the daughter guessed the salient details of the agreement. Now you say "she could have sabotaged the agreement by guessing" (that's from the exact wording of your post.)

Yes, I'm claiming both. The NDA presumes that if news leaks, the "other party" leaked it. If the news leaks because someone guessed the outcome, then the NDA is presumed breached. Whether it has hasn't been proven.

Your latest position, "if the news leaks because someone guessed the outcome, then the NDA is presumed breached" implies that the strategy you proposed in your earlier posts will not work.:

better is to coach her into a plausible story. "we didn't tell you any of the details. We told you that the matter was over, and we now had money to go to Europe. That you inferred that we won was not from us telling you that we won. If you mess this one up, we'll cut up your passport and you'll never go."

http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...

You appear to think that when you contradict yourself, you can choose either position to make a point. In reality, logic dictates that your argument has collapsed - reductio ad absurdum, as logicians used to call it, appropriately enough in this case.

Comment Re:Teenagers will do stupid things? (Score 1) 387

You appear to miss the point. She could have sabotaged the agreement by guessing. There's no "proof" (at least provided in TFA) the NDA was breached.

Now you are blatantly contradicting yourself. First you argue that the agreement could be saved by claiming that the daughter guessed the salient details of the agreement. Now you say "she could have sabotaged the agreement by guessing" (that's from the exact wording of your post.)

Comment Re:Teenagers will do stupid things? (Score 1) 387

Reading the exact wording, it's quite possible that the daughter just guessed...

Reading the exact wording, we see that "Snay's father said in depositions that he and his wife knew they had to say something to their daughter..."

And that something could have been NDA allowed. "It's over." Given the smile on the face when told, and being told it's over, she may have guessed which way it was decided. What's in the NDA? If you don't know, how can you be so sure it's breached?

If we once again read the exact words of the article, we see that "Snay, however, immediately told his daughter that he’d settled and was happy with the results."

That's not exactly a guess from a smile.

If you are going to speculate about what happened, you should at least first familiarize yourself with what's already been said.
   

Comment Re:Teenagers will do stupid things? (Score 1) 387

We don't have the details about the NDA clause in the agreement, nor what was told to the daughter, it's possible that it wasn't breached, and we'll never have enough information to determine it. Yes, the daughter coud always sabotage it by saying things she guesses, correct or otherwise, but now that she knows the trouble it causes, I think it is more likely she won't talk, not less.

You appear to miss the point. She wouldn't sabotage the ruse by guessing, but she could by letting slip the truth about what she was told.
 

Comment Re:Teenagers will do stupid things? (Score 1) 387

And that something could have been NDA allowed. "It's over." Given the smile on the face when told, and being told it's over, she may have guessed which way it was decided. What's in the NDA? If you don't know, how can you be so sure it's breached?

Well, on the one hand, we have the fact that two courts have examined this issue, with lawyers presenting what are presumably their best arguments, and the courts have, at this point, decided that the NDA was violated. On the other hand, we have your entirely speculative hypothesis that what was said to the daughter didn't amount to a violation - a hypothesis that necessarily implies that Snay's lawyers were spectacularly incompetent, given the outcome so far.

After due consideration, I have come to the tentative conclusion that the preponderance of the evidence is against your proposition that what was said to the daughter was too vague to violate the NDA.

Comment Re:Honestly, it seems justified. (Score 1) 387

It would seem that would give the little guy the opportunity to stick it to the scumbag company. "$80,000 to keep quiet? I don't know.... It might be kinda hard (wink, wink) for that amount. It might take $120,000...."

That's how they got to $80,000 (probably not explicitly, but it is implicit in the concept of negotiation.)

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