Economics 101. Proft != Economic efficiency. I admitted a side effect of properly allocated research funding would likely be lower corporate profits for some mega corporations this is true and I am indifferent to this effect (I have stock in big and small firms I am not blindly anti corporate). If you would actually read what was said you would realize that was not the main goal and that "to counteract the effects of externalities previously unaccounted for" was the goal that does = Economic efficiency.

"If such technologies can be profitably developed within our current regulatory economy, then entrepreneurs will create start-ups, and funders will give funding." That is fundamentally incorrect. Man made financial instruments are massively risk adverse. Not to mention the economics of scale needed to realize the value basic research.

Sometimes the messenger does deserve to be shot. That was the point of my original message and I admit that. I like to discuss topics with people who will actually contribute some valid back and forth however there are valid political reasons for simply attacking the messenger. Discussion on politics is often academic at best. By now the sides are far too entrenched to move the bases. I admit I am part of that and gladly so, I have my reasons for this . These "arguments" are classic handed down talking points. If you are pushing them you are already lost to one side any debate over the hard line talking points is silly as they have been debated ad-nauseum..

I half assed my answer because your answer was also a half assed one. I present one example to discredit your general statement (Dont expect more than you give) . I more or less flubed on the velcro but I stand by the other three and to go beyond direct invention there is compleatly and utterly no way any of these would have been invented without the massive government research into E&M in the 20's 30's etc and to be honest I do care to elaborate more. If you dont see the utility of this when presented with at least three examples with varying degree's of clarity you are not going to become informed and its not worth my time.

Have you ever studied economics? The oil supply is limited. We are using it daily. Meaning the price should go up daily. (Which it pretty much is) Not using ours now means we are saving it for later (making money on our investment). Using our oil supply now is like taking out a second mortgage to buy a vibrator. "Not a good idea unless you want to get screwed now and in the future"

"We can't just print money and use it to pay off the debt. For each extra dollar we print, we make every other dollar in existence worth less. This means is takes more dollars to be worth a particular value, so prices go up. This is called inflation." We cant print money and inflation is good for debtors (99% of the US pop the Govt) and bad for billionaires with large piles of cash (1% of the population and China) . This is an easy choice if you dont have your head up your ass.

Its neither. Its some dude sitting in his underwear thinking "I have a 1/2 chance of dying and a 1/100 chance of saving the world. I like siting in this chair i'm not going to work for the good of the nation" Its the cowardly corporate way out. and its the way republicans want the nation to act as a whole.

I cant mod you up right now so this will have to do. Good job

never heard of

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Francis_Jenkins

"Charles Francis Jenkins (August 22, 1867 – June 6, 1934) was an American pioneer of early cinema and one of the inventors of television, though he used mechanical rather than electronic technologies."

Nope I did not think so.

Sherman is one of my personal heroes. Too bad they did not let him finish the job

There is no message worth speaking of or responding to. These "people" have no information and are simply doing as their preacher tells them to. Arguing/ speaking with them is a joke.

The motivation of these techologies is not a profit motive thus there is little incentive for mega corporate entities to suck them dry. If any thing it is to counteract the effects of externalities previously unaccounted for. A large part of this will result in lower corporate profits and better living conditions for the average person.

They are many arguments for why "Communist Russia" fell and many of them have to do with Qualities of Stalin matching those of Bush and Palin. But to be honest you would not understand them. Which is why you are you. And we would not want it any other way would we? Why be informed when you can blindly follow what your preacher/McCarthy told you in the morning about the evil Russian empire and its love for unicorn blood.

Have you never heard of a rolling blackout? Again your little redneck hole in the wall does not reflect what the rest of the civilized world experiences.

No one but complete simpletons could even begin to jokingly consider the invisible hand a valid argument at this point.

You like your internet? TV? Velcro? Microprocessors? All of these were developed in the US as a direct result of federal government research. The reason why this technology was developed in the US and not some random other nation was the direct funding and research of these products by the US government.

Go f off wingnut

I would not mind doing that. Except for the fact that current leases on federal land are vastly under used.

Why would we open this up to drilling when current leases are around only 50% used.

I'll be blunt. The reason why the oil companies want this is so they can stake their land grab before oil prices explode in the coming years. The government in the future will most likely have this information tossed in their face so they would be able to charge much higher royalties for the use of a good currently owned by the American People as a whole. Its not stupid of the Oil companies to want this. Its just immoral and underhanded for them to try and argue its for any other reason.

Bullshit. Go back to the tea party idiot. You and your kinda are outright traitors to this nation and are responsible for the significant downturns in the US economy and standard of living of true American heroes (the working class) . You have sold the US out to the uber rich corporate elite and the nation of China. With your complete and utter religions jihad against anything remotely intelligent. You have no place in technical society and you have no place in American society. And now you are ranting against one of the few chances we have to pull this nation out of the ditch your stupidity has created. You are the enemy of the American people. Ya this is a troll but its damn worth it.

However collaborating too much is the same as cheating off of someone. If your collaborating too much they may have just hired the person your collaborating with.