But not bp or exxon corporations?

Of course that is what it is based on. But not everyone is Christian, and by going to B.C.E. or C.E. we can avoid discussions like this one. This is just fun stuff for you and me, but its like arguing over the shape of the negotiating table for scientists. Its just a time marker, and not even a very good one, whether we demand that it be related to the Christian church, or something else.

My mother was raised as baptist, but when wanting to marry my father, who was catholic, the catholic church insisted she convert. Upon conversion, she became very conservative about it. Meanwhile my Grandfather, after being widowed, remarried a super fundy woman, and the shenanigans were on.

Growing up was interesting to say the least.

I think it might be biblical injunctions against making penis shaped cakes.

History Channel2. It's your kind of place. All normal science is wrong, and everything is due to ancient aliens.

Halton Arp? Seriously? Who's next, Uri Gellar?

Poe or projecting? Everyone I know is excited.

But you see, your original statement was:

"There are precisely 0 fundies that believe that."

Now that that's been corrected, we can write back and forth correctly

as there are a great many fundies who don't believe in any of the Young Earth stuff these days, but are clearly still fundies as they believe the important thing about their religion is the scripture (or some creative interpretation thereof), not the church.

I would never assume that there is a homogenous belief set. After all Man makes God in his own image. Even aside from just Christianity and the other religions out there. Ever notice how many Christian churches there are these days? There is a whole subset of Americans who spend years searching for the church that believes what they do. And they get emphatic about it. Divorce is a growing problem amongst the fundamentalist/evangelical crowd. Because whne one of th etwp has an epiphany about how things are supposed to be, and the other doesn't tag along, they'll leave their spouse like they did their old church. http://divorce.com/divorce-rat...

And every one of them has the " actual truth"

But on to the Creationism thing.

It's not that long ago that the ID'ers were pushing thier "teach the controversy" bullshit. A highly recommended read is Intelligent Thought - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

It's a compilation of various contributors - Pinker, Dawkins, Dennet, Randall, Hauser, and T.D. White, as well as an excerpted judgement by the Judge who presided over the Dover Deleware Intelligent design case.

The part that will be surprising to some is the incredible duplicity of the ID'ers. No mere slight of hand, but outright purposeful lies in their quest to replace actual science with Christian science.

Having been raised in that insane world, (strict Catholic parents with strict Baptist Grandparents) and grown up in a likewise crazy town where all references that might support evolution or an old earth were scrubbed from the curriculum, and the town was shut down on Sunday's until the 1970's, I fully understand that duplicity, and I am much less optimistic than you are. They haven't given up on their quest for domination, they're just waiting.

As cute as that sounds, I'm sitting here enjoying the NHL playoffs in high-def, and enjoying a very clean signal.

Watching television on a old school set is simply awful. And as a 3-D animator (just one part of my job) HD is a Godsend. There were not many things as depressing as the old frame buffer days, when you converted your nice sharp 3-D animations to NTSC then on to tape.

Missing those days is like missing lead paint in your kid's bedroom.

But let me ask, was there some point in time when technology wasn't used for dark purposes? Is there something special about today's technology thyat makes it so awful that instead of seeing the good, a normal person could only look at every new thing, and they only see the bad?

Now, the question then becomes, "Where do we stop at with regards to technology, and how will that stopping make life better?"

The Internet?

Rocketry?

Airplanes?

Medicine?

Electronics

Automobiles?

Trains?

Horses"

Agriculture?

Houses?

All technology can be used for ill as well as good. But when you start to sound like the boys down at the Legion bitching about how awful everything is now, you can rest assured you have just slipped into the past along with all that good/better stuff you lament. I've heard that carping outlook, and it is pure poison.

Congratulations olde-tymer! You made it. Maybe they have one of those old TV's you like at the rest home.

My point is that once upon a time, slashdotters were interested in technology. Now all too many think it is the enemy.

Well, I'm glad it was politely! I was being a little bit sarcastic in anticipation of the regulations iz all evil crowd chiming in. I agree that some regulation is simply needed in a modern society, or else we'll have weird stuff like people selling mortgages to people who should never ever have them. Fortunately, that'll never happen.

One of the biggest problems the south had was their immense distrust of government, and belief that lack of governance = good outcome.

We still see a lot of that today, and people who do actually think that most any form of regulation is socialism, or communism, or the guvmint tellng them what to do.

By the way, in the Great War of Northern Agression in the US in the 1860's, the North, which was a bastion of socialist type controls on the people, had settled on one standard, (there were some narrow gauge railroads in use yet though) while in the less regulated South, there was apparently a lot of different approaches to railroads, resulting in a lot of unloading and reloading as shipping was a pretty complicated affair,

Yup, this. What we saw was the unholy kludge of NTSC video television, which was kept for years, so that old early 1950's TVs would still be compatible, being sacrificed. Gramma could still watch the first TV she ever bought - if it wasn't in the landfill, a victim of proton decay.

NTSC television is the counter example to all this, an illustration of what happens when you force a standard on people long past the time it should ever have been used.

Slashdotters are becoming the The Crazy Uncle of technology, you know, the guy who brags about not having an email address, and is still really pissed that they took tetraethyl lead out of gasoline. And don't get him started on that damned zip code business. They just picked a little bit later in time to demand that technology had to be frozen.

No one can keep up with her changes.

Before Common Era. If'n you don't like that, well sue me, because it is the right term, and only in your world is it a Leeeeeeeeburul thing.

I know a lot of conservatives of other religions thzt wonder exactly why the birth of some Jewish Rabbi controls their dating system. So tough

Where on earth do you get off on telling me that fundies don't believe in a young earth? I was raised in large part by young earth Christian fundamentalist creationists, and I can tell you that they do indeed believe just that.

Why, its even in my bibles....

In my Scofield reference edition, on page 3 it states B.C. 4004 right beside the text.

In my KJV self pronouncing version same thing, 4004 BC.

Nelson KJV concordance - 4004 B.C.

Bishop James Ussher, Archbishop of Armagh and primate of Ireland in the 1600's, dated the age of the world, and therefore universe, as having been created on Sunday 23 October 4004 BC, the expulsion of Adam and Eve from the garden on Monday 10 November 4004 BC, as well as other dates that are now held as truth by fundamentalists.

Now of course, that is just dates put in by a human, and not the transcribed word of god, but most respectfully, you are so wrong to think that fundamentalists do not believe that. If you don't believe every word writtien down in the KJV bible, you are no True Scots.....erm.... Fundamentalist Christian.

I lived with that stuff.

Bu't its not wireless. Wireless is awesome, and I bet it you asked 10 normal people, they'd tell you its faster than wired. Because, like its Wireless!!!

No, she just hates science.

Thanks for playing, mabe some Cialis will help next time.