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Comment Re:What happens to that heat? (Score 1) 423

" and a massive increase in tropical hurricanes."

They have been saying this for YEARS now, and there hasn't been a major hurricane in how many years?

It is predictions and statements like this that have people like me scratching our heads. None of the predictions of doom have happened. Polar Bears are not drowning either. When people are caught lying, repeatedly, people stop believing them. This is what happens when people stop reading fairy tales and start creating them using "Science" as a backdrop.

How do you know polar bears aren't drowning? Who says " and a massive increase in tropical hurricanes."? "Storm frequency decreases in the Southern Hemisphere and north Indian Ocean, increases in the western North Pacific, and is indeterminate elsewhere." http://journals.ametsoc.org/do... for instance.

Comment Re:What happens to that heat? (Score 1) 423

Ahh yes, we've just established that the oceans have been warmer than we expected. And just around the same time we've had a recent minimum of severe hurricanes. Climate change or not, you cannot predict severe weather patterns. Anti-deniers like to attribute every negative event to climate change and none of the positive events. Maybe a warmer planet will have less severe weather if the air temperature is closer to the water temperature as it is the differential that causes severe weather.

You can't put energy into the system and expect it to quiet down. Haven't you actually watched a pot of water on a stove? When you turn up the heat, the water starts to really swirl around. The atmosphere is similar. Individual locations and/or times might benefit, but storms are a function of atmospheric energy, and more energy is going to mean more or more violent storms, or both.

Comment Re:I wonder if (Score 1) 460

(just one example) I wonder if Southern Baptist - of the Fire Brimstone leaning - are seen as "trustworthy" more/less than scientists. I'd wager they are, and I'd double down that it has little to do with how "warm/fuzzy" they come off as.

I'd wager this has much less to do with scientists coming off as "warm/fuzzy" and more to do with most people’s innate distrust of those that deliver either information they don't agree with (or more specifically that doesn't agree with their preconceived notions) or information that makes them feel stupid - when the majority hears about something they are too ignorant to understand, they don't like/trust the person with that idea - but that's just human nature.

While "scientists" do have their problems (journals / peer review circle-jerks / et al) I fear the only way they'll come across as "warm/fuzzy" would be if they "dumb it down" even more and that's not a direction we should be going, as we're already down to -11.

Nope. Either you decide what you believe and who you believe and nothing changes that, or you spend time and energy looking over all the data and evidence and don't care who says it. Of course, most people are something of a mix, but either way, it's not going to hinge on whether scientists are warm/fuzzy.

Comment Re:Bullshit (Score 1) 460

Maybe scientists would be friendlier......the "climategate" scandal has demonstrated very clearly that if a scientist dares try to engage the public to any meaningful extent, then they'd be inundated with either trolls, or assholes

'Climategate' involved people being happy at the death of scientists they disagreed with. I don't think you understand the meaning of 'friendlier.' Climategate was basically a bunch of assholes being revealed as assholes.

Right; one guy says in a private email "In an odd way this is cheering news." re the death of a skeptic, and that is proof that scientists who believe in AGW are all assholes, which proves that AGW is a hoax. This is what we're talking about re lack of cognitive skills in the rightwing.

Comment Re:Science is not about trust (Score 1) 460

Science is about reproducible results. Publish the details of your experiment, so I can perform your experiment (and variations on it) myself. Your claim is strengthened if I get the same results you do.

Isn't that what they do? That's why I trust them, even when I can't do the experiment myself. At least I can read about what they did and what their logic was and see if I agree. Which is why I do believe in AGW and don't believe in all the denialist "science". "It's cosmic rays, look, I have a pretty bad correlation based on 3 points" etc.

Comment Re:Fox News? (Score 1) 460

And of course, when the split on some question is 90/10, you see the same spokespeople on the 10% side more often, so they automatically become a "well known expert", and Joe Blow goes "I don't know who this guy is saying perpetual motion is impossible, but I've certainly heard of this other person, they're famous, must be expert"

Comment Re:Fox News? (Score 1) 460

The media is so buffaloed by the right's continual charges of bias that they will talk about the two sides of the question, even where the second side is insane. They're not going to report on a stage full of Republican presidential candidates proudly volunteering that they don't believe in evolution, then point out that that is usually considered a position held by lunatic fringes.

Comment Re:Fox News? (Score 1) 460

It's also money. Smaller newspapers these days can't afford to do anything but parrot press releases. It requires the resources of one of the big newspapers to investigate anything, whether climate change or pet shampoo. And they have to think about their budget as well; it's easier and cheaper to expose pet shampoo (I'm just making that up, I don't know of any pet shampoo corruption) than get suitably knowledgeable people to investigate the workings of the science of climate change.

Comment Re:Fox News? (Score 1) 460

That's the System 1/System 2 Thinking divide in America. One side is led to consider the data, make logical assessments, etc. The other side makes a gut level decision instantly, often on the basis of what the leaders they accept tell them; any disagreement is Evil. The right has driven all the System 1 people out over the last few decades.

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