That's what has been said to those intent on change right before every sea-change in government/leadership.

It's a numbers game a government cannot win without first destroying the people's will to resist. If it were a matter of simple firepower, practically no revolution or rebellion from history would ever have succeeded.

Any single individual can hurt, be it ever so slight, an entire government of many thousands (Snowden), but that government of many thousands can only hurt that single individual, and can only kill him/her once.

If even just a significant fraction of the population decided "That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. ...was their new mission statement, the government would fall. The military, being composed of volunteers from the same population, would at the very least fracture, and possibly refuse for the most part to engage US citizens on the civilian leaders' behalf.

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Why would I do that?

I am not afraid to say what I think.

They can only hurt one of me.

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Let's see, how does that go? Soap, Ballot, Jury, and Ammo?

We seem to be at Jury...and it's not going well.

What's that other one? "That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

Hmm, what to do, what to do...?

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I have to waste some mod points to give the reasons. The legislation bans consideration of research where all data is not publicly available without regard for which data is available - like public health studies with anonymized data [ucsusa.org].

This bill would make it impossible for the EPA to use many health studies, since they often contain private patient information that canâ(TM)t and shouldnâ(TM)t be revealed. Studies based on confidential business information would also be off-limits. Studies of human exposures to toxics over time and from a variety of locations likely cannot be reproduced. Neither can meta-analyses, looking at the results of hundreds of scientific studies to assess their conclusions. Such studies provide critical scientific evidence in many fields of research. This legislation wasnâ(TM)t designed to promote good scienceâ"it was crafted to prevent public health and environmental laws from being enforced.

So, you've got one guy on a political-agenda-driven website, who is not a lawyer, who says *in his opinion*, that's what the bill would do.

What specific parts/language of/in the bill forbids anonymized personal, individual data to be used in otherwise open and reproducible studies?

If the bill does contain such wording.language, if it were altered so that such pragmatic and practical concerns are handled, would you then support it?

Or is this just a vector of attack on a bill which you do not support the main intent (eliminating regulation-creation within Federal agencies/Depts with force of law based on secret studies/data) of?

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Prepare for major E-cycle-gasm. 140 miles per charge highway, 230 city. Full charge time 1 hour. Insanely fast.

https://youtu.be/W1CSdYsJIWQ

Even this one is reportedly quite fast, and being a replica of a "light cycle" from the movie "Tron", it *should* come with a gold-plated Nerd Card included.

https://youtu.be/6aC57JeJt44

They also makes more cosmetically-conventional (and affordable/practical) models as well.

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But...but..

Robert Byrd is dead and was a Democrat, besides he didn't look all that tough! Maybe he was a bit more spry back in his younger days when he was burning crosses on 'uppity' black family's front lawns with Al Gore Sr.

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This is why I included infrared in my sample of possible devices/methods. An infrared camera type device simply detects the radiation leaving your personal/private property/vehicle/home that a human cannot see with their eyes, the same way a biological sensor called a dog detects scent molecules outside your personal/private property/vehicle/home that a human cannot detect with their sense of smell.

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How is that any different than an X-ray/millimeter-wave/infrared device being used to determine the contents of the vehicles?

In both cases (sniffing-dog and machine) a tool outside of the officer's five senses is being used.

Does having fur make using a dog permissible legally while a scanning device is not permissible short of some sort of probable cause?

If someone is stopped by an officer with a dog, the dog is legally allowed to sniff around the vehicle, but even if the officer has a scanning device with him he's not allowed to use it short of a probable cause existing.

A search is a search, regardless of whether it uses scent molecules or infrared/millimeter-wave/x-ray/ultrasonic energy, and it's also a search regardless of whether or not the "detector" has fur and a collar.

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Are these devices attended by actual humans, or, as is likely, it's set up and left recording in some nearby convenient location like the back of a parked van, motel room, or abandoned building, etc?

If so, they should be easy to radio-locate, like the old CB radio 'rabbit hunts'. How upset would they be to find their expensive toy missing when they returned?

If it *is* attended, surround the location and start protesting and out them. Don't forget to video record.

If police don't need a warrant, then does that mean that anyone can run a Stingray? It's not that hard. A little sauce for the gander.

You can even pick up the essentials to "roll your own" "Stingray" type device at a bargain, used/refurbished.

http://www.testequipmentdepot....

Park one in a van in Washington D.C. on K St. or near the WH, and/or certain parts of Alexandria VA for extra lulz.

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You say that as if some in power don't see that ideologically as a feature, rather than a bug. Many in positions of power/wealth have set themselves up so that they would benefit hugely in various ways such as politically/ideologically and financially from such a disaster, and in fact use it as a catapult into total authoritarian takeover.

George Soros, as one example, has made a pastime of profiting, and many say working to cause, national currencies and economies to collapse. There are many others who would stand to benefit enormously in various ways both inside and outside the US from it's economic/political collapse.

Bottom up, top down, inside-out.

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How dare you bring logic and facts into this political/ideological low-info Donnybrook!

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An unexpected and unwanted text message from a wireless company prematurely exploded a would-be suicide bomberâ(TM)s vest bomb in Russia New Yearâ(TM)s Eve, inadvertently thwarting a planned attack on revelers in Moscow, according to The Daily Telegraph.

Explains why more terrorists don't use Verizon.

Achmed the Dead Terrorist agrees! (But at least he took that Verizon bastard with him!)

(At 8:08) https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

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Just create two other "car companies" that sell re-branded Tesla cars and have the three of them open up a permanent auto trade show in which they would be allowed to sell directly.

Why bother creating other companies? Just create a trade show for electric-only cars. If Nissan and Fiat (is there anyone else selling 100% electric cars?) don't show up, it's still a trade show. Tesla doesn't compete with the Nissan or Fiat electric cars, yet.

Think outside the box!

Why not use the IRFA that's been so much in the news lately?

Being able to legally purchase any product directly from the maker if said maker is willing and offers to sell is part of your religious beliefs and practices as a member of the Teslaticular Church of Gedouddamahface.

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Gah! o.0

How 1980's!

There is only one branch of government, the Executive, then there are the minor agencies and departments like the Congressional Dept. and Legislative agency, all closely overseen by the Executive branches' all-seeing intelligence and monitoring apparatus.

Any who buck the status quo are destroyed.

But hey, there's rumored to be a new Marvel Comic-based movie in the works!

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