". Its simply monopolistic abuse."

Really? They have a monopoly in ARM based tablets now?

You are either a troll or ignorant of the facts.

The locked down SecureBoot settings we are talking about only apply to Windows RT on Microsoft Surface RT devices. X86 devices that have the Windows 8 logo must allow the user to turn off SafeBoot and manage the keys.

Some how they are using their monopoly power to force users to by a product in a market currently owned by iOS and Android devices? Bullshit.

There's your problem, you are calling it a computer. It's not, it's an appliance and they are careful in there marketing to say so.

Want a general purpose computer, then buy one. MS Surface RT is an internet and media appliance. You should no more expect to be able to replace the software on it than you expect to replace the software that controls your microwave or your "smart" TV.

This is just like the old TiVo argument, except without the GPL issues which means that legally you have no leg to stand on.

Speak for yourself. Where I work we have a really good relationship with Microsoft and we turn on the feedback reporting on most workstations specifically because we WANT our issues to be seen. I enable it on all my non-server systems specifically for this reason.

I work for a University and we manage about 9,000 Windows desktops, mostly Win7 at this point. We are looking to roll out Windows 8 on all new deployments beginning in January or February. All of our early-adopters have been running Win8E for months now and the only issues we have seen have been related to IE10. Most of these issues have been dealt with by using group policy to set compatibility mode for specific sites.

Bullshit... and least not the picture password for the local machine.

When you are entering your picture password, you are in special trusted process that _even_with_UAC_off_ is isolated from normal user process.

However, if you are remoting into another machine, it can capture anything you draw there...

Jorgie

So you missed posted by Missing.Matter above?

Its from the Apple website back when the iPhone launched:

“iPhone uses OS X, the world’s most advanced operating system. Which means you have access to the best-ever software on a handheld device”

"What you buy for Windows RT will not just work on Windows 8."

You are both wrong and right. You cannot take the binary from your Windows RT and run it on Windows 8 BUT because the only place you can buy software for Windows RT is the Microsoft store, and one of the rules of the store is that applications that support RT also support x86 (but not the reverse AFIK), you will be able to run the same software on your Windows 8 machine, you will just have to download it.

Wow, on /. only 48 hours after is was everywhere else.. maybe /. isn't over the hill yet. /sigh

That would be great. Let me know when you get them to support a mouse! :)

We a couple Android tablets that work for remote-desktop because they support a mouse, but to the best of my knowledge apps are not allowed to support a mouse.

Jorgie

The Start page is meant to contain only those applications you use regularly, the rest are on the All apps page.

The All apps page allows you to see the equivalent of Win7's 'Start Menu/All Programs' with all the folders expanded. On a single scroll-able screen no less!

You get there from the desktop in at least 4 different ways: 1 key-combo, 3 key-strokes, 3 mouse-clicks, or a pair of swipe-touch combos.

Keyboard:
1. WinKey + Q - Yes, really, the complete Stat menu/All programs in on key combination. :)

Keyboard Long-form:
1. Hit the WinKey
2. Hit WinKey + Z to open the app bar
3. Press Enter

Mouse:
1. Click in the bottom-left corner to go the Start page
2. Right-click on an empty space to bring up the app bar
3. Click 'All apps'

Touch:
1. Swipe in from the right and tap the 'Start'
2. Swipe in from the bottom and tap 'All apps'

How in the heck is that harder than old folder-based start menu? When it comes to visually finding your installed applications, Win8 is much EASIER than 7 as you can see them all on a single scroll-able page! That said, when at a keyboard, I just hit WinKey-Q. :)

Once you get your Start page customized, the apps you actually launch directly most of the time are a single click away, and _every_program_installed_on_your_system_ is clicks away.

Jorgie

ROFL... I hope she never read the docs for the Apache config file!