Yeah I know, but apparently LLVM "bytecode" is really compiler IR, and not really suitable as a language and machine neutral bytecode. (It has specific x86 instructions and so on. There was a widely-linked mailing list message a while ago about LLVM not being suitable for use as a low level virtual machine.)

I've looked at Dart. It seems like javascript but with all the "hey, that's actually fairly neat" features removed, and their stupid counterfeight-typing system added on. Yeah... counterfeight typing. You heard it here first. Looks and sounds like static typing, but it isn't.

They probably *wanted* it to be static typing but supporting compile-to-javascript meant it was easier for them just to say "sod it, let's make it dynamically typed and call them 'annotations'". That's the only sane explanation for the insanity I can come up with anyway.

I still don't see why they couldn't have come up with a proper mostly-language-agnostic bytecode for the web. Like what LLVM sounds like it should be (but isn't).

Not sure about that one...

Not all languages are the same. Maybe your criticism is valid for C# / Java, but the other languages you list are all pretty different. Rust has some features, and certainly a unique combination of features (e.g. modern, and not garbage collected).

Well you don't actively need teachers to learn a language (tutorials, books, etc), nor do you have to learn every language in existence.

Maybe so interested people can follow its development, make suggestions, help write the compiler and so on?

Jesus Christ who spat in your face this morning? Why are you such a pessimistic parade-pisser?

There's only so much you can do with a "solid class library". And there already *are* solid class libraries -- or do you think you could do a better job the your predecessors?

ARM is no more complicated than Atmel... To be honest I think it is easier...

Seems like a strange decision to use an Atmel chip when everyone is moving to Cortex M-3.

Yeah this is kind of pointless, and frankly I'm kind of pissed off the wikipedia actually blocked their site outside the US. What's the point? I'm already aware of it, and I can't really contact my congressman. A clickthrough would have been fine and would have spread the word just as well.

Fortunately they didn't truely block the site. You can get around it with the bookmarklet on this page: http://concentriclivers.com/?p=I%20don't%20live%20in%20America%20and%20can't%20do%20anything%20about%20SOPA%20Wikipedia

Electrofluidic displays, but they are probably beyond the horizon.

I don't think you understand this poll. They've always been called tablet computers as far as I know. Do you have a less buzzwordy option (not that tablet is a buzzword)?

I think it would take me less time to implement a turtle-like environment in Matlab or C++ than it would to relearn Logo. And then I wouldn't have to use Logo.

I'm not saying Logo isn't cool; it just isn't cool for anything other than learning very basic programming by drawing pretty pictures. And I have no idea how you would use it in multi-agent systems research. Can you even have more than one turtle? How on earth do you do matrix multiplication in Logo?

Yeah it's impossible with one microphone/speaker. Sorry batman.

I suppose in theory (read: it will never work) you could do it if you have lots of phones in an area. And you beefed up the phone speakers a lot.

Yeah... hence the two links to phoronix in TFS...!

I think upload speed is the killer feature for fibre. ADSL is effectively limited to 1 Mb/s upstream, which is pathetic. Hell, my phone has a better upstream bandwidth than that.

Things you need fast upstream bandwidth for: video conferencing, streaming videos (e.g. from your home computer to a friends house; 1 Mb/s is not enough), uploading photos to facebook (so tedious!), uploading music to google music, etc. All of those are currently really slow or don't really work.

You are correct. I didn't mean that foo +bar and "foo bar" are the same. Let me rephrase:

foo +bar -> foo "bar"
"foo bar" (or +"foo bar") -> "foo bar"