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Comment Re:Fox News? (Score 1) 682

I'm not sure how you can possibly equate Republican Darrell Issa == IRS. It's another claim by a Republican. From your own link:

IRS agents testified before Congress that the agency’s political targeting did not apply to progressive groups as Democrats and the media have claimed, according to a bombshell new staff report prepared by the House Oversight Committee chairman, Rep. Darrell Issa.

So either you are desperately trying to spin GOP talking points as IRS facts or you flat out lied.

Comment Re:Fox News? (Score 1) 682

Keep repeating the talking points...and missing the point entirely. 190 > 7. Outright denial is better that perpetual bureaucracy.

And you miss the point. If your numbers are correct: 190 out of 292 groups with no denials for conservative groups were processed. 7 out of 20 with 1 denial for liberal groups. By my math, 65% processing rate for conservative groups with 0% denial. 35% processing rate with 14% denial for liberals. You are correct in claiming that more conservative groups were investigated; however, looking at the data, it appears that the liberal groups have a far worse success rate.

nd do you know why there is perpetually bureaucracy? Citizens United opened the flood gates and the IRS now has many more applications to process. Yet Congress is unwilling to give the IRS more money, more resources, whatever because the GOP is inherently opposed to the idea of taxation. The same reason the GOP tries to undermine the EPA and other regulatory bodies like the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau,

Comment Re:Fox News? (Score 1) 682

There is a law that emails are retained for a certain period of time. The law does not say emails should be kept indefinitely. The IRS only keeps emails on their servers for 6 months. Maybe they should keep them longer but I suspect space and cost are issues.

Comment Re:Recycled Hard Drive?! (Score 1) 682

Let me explain this again: In 44 USC Chapter 29 section that you quote covers the "unlawful" destruction of records. It says it in black and white. It does not address ALL destruction. You keep equating ALL destruction as unlawful when 29 does not say that at all. There can be lawful destruction of records.

Comment Re:Recycled Hard Drive?! (Score 1) 682

You can't say the groups were or weren't denied, because they were kept in limbo, on purpose, for months and sometimes years. As good as denied, but actually better, because they couldn't appeal that non-denial, limbo condition.

They were delayed "on purpose" requires that pre-supposition that it was for political reasons. Being a government bureaucracy, you'd rather believe it was malice as opposed to being a normal, government bureaucracy that takes too long to do things.

Comment Re:Fox News? (Score 1) 682

It is hardly unrealistic. Google manages to archive much of the internet every day. The NSA manages to archive much of the world's internet traffic. Keeping it forever, is much much easier if you know what you're doing.

Both Google and NSA have massively huge server farms for this purpose. Unless Congress has granted the IRS billions of dollars for IT, I don't see them having any money to do this. It is unrealistic as cost is a part of reality.

It is unrealistic to believe that email from six people at the center of controversy all disappeared in a series of "hard drive crashes", and no backups were ever made. THAT is unrealistic.

That's just you not having all the facts. Emails are kept for 6 months on IRS servers. The emails are from 3 years ago. After that they may be on local HDs. Searching through their records, the IRS was able to recover 24,000 emails from 83 individuals from their HDs. But they didn't get every email. I wouldn't say that they all "disappeared".

Comment Re:Recycled Hard Drive?! (Score 1) 682

Again you keep not understanding what "unlawful" means. If a stranger takes my car away, that's called theft. If I call a tow service to move my car, that's not theft. If a tow wrecker takes my car because it was illegally parked, that's also not theft. 44 USC 29 applies to "unlawful" destruction. Not ALL destruction. Please read more carefully.

Comment Re:Fox News? (Score 1) 682

It doesn't matter. The GOP desperately wants it to be a case of the White House instructing the IRS to go after conservative groups. If they did, then the IRS can't take instructions very well because it went after groups from both sides. In the end, no conservative groups were denied status. So either the IRS is really bad at following orders or there was no conspiracy.

Comment Re:Recycled Hard Drive?! (Score 1) 682

Wow, you need to read and comprehend better. From your own quote:

The head of each Federal agency shall notify the Archivist of any actual, impending, or threatened ,b>unlawful removal, defacing, alteration, or destruction of records in the custody of the agency

An IT staff doing his job in replacing a HD is lawful as it is his/her job. What you seem to think is that any destruction is by nature unlawful. That's faulty logic and selective reading of the statute. What you are saying is as silly as saying that the janitor throwing away trash at a government agency is unlawful.

Comment Re:Fox News? (Score -1) 682

You are missing the point. None of the tea party groups were denied status. You are correct. They have not been denied because they were doing nothing wrong. There was no basis for a denial. So the IRS just delayed and demanded massive amounts of crazy information. There are still groups waiting years to get approved!

You are missing the point: The GOP is screaming it was for political reasons. The IRS was targeting both sides. This defies the logic it was for political reasons. And right leaning ones were all approved. As were left leaning groups except for one.

The fact that the IRS is out of control is obvious. The idea that it will swing its crazyness in the preferred direction is a given. If you either believe that the IRS is doing a fine job and does not wield too much power then you either have a vested interest in the system as it stands (Employed by the IRS or a Tax profesional) or you are deluded. If you think that groups that want to see the IRS and many government jobs get deleted or reduced are not targeted specifically by those they want to destroy then you have no idea how humans behave and I call you out as an alien impostor.

Please show me where I said the IRS is doing a good job. You can't, can you? That's you projecting your thoughts on me. I'm merely saying that it does not appear the IRS actions were for political reasons but the GOP witch hunt is for political reasons.

Comment Re:Fox News? (Score 1) 682

I have: Her HD crashed and was replaced in 2011.

The top Republican on one of the House committees investigating the IRS targeting scandal reacted furiously late Wednesday to a report that ex-IRS official Lois Lerner's hard drive had been recycled, making it likely that many emails sent to and from Lerner prior to the summer of 2011 will never be recovered.

All they say is that they can't get emails prior to 2011. They fail to mention the relevant fact that the HD was recycled in 2011. 3 years ago. This was long before the current scandal cropped up. To any casual reader of the headline and the article would suggest it was a recent destruction. Also they fail to mention that the IRS does keep emails on their servers but it is only for 6 months.

Comment Re:Fox News? (Score 1) 682

No that's just another biased source twisting words and facts to make things look bad who don't understand how IT works. Emails are kept on IRS servers but for only 6 months. Being Outlook based, individuals can keep them longer on their local HDs but it is not an agency mandate to do so. Any emails she included other individuals may be recovered from their HDs if they are still intact. Since Lerner's HD crashed in 2011, her emails located on her HD are gone. Now the emails may be recovered on the other end if their retention is longer. For example if she communicated with me on my gmail account, it would still be there.

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