The proposed XL extension would almost double the capacity of the pipeline and add access to the pipeline from eastern Montana. So I think the grandparent was correct in asserting that rail accidents would decrease as a result of the pipeline extension.

- yeah, that's what I call idle population. Creating new forms of porn and that's about it.

- oh yeah, sure, subsidized by the 'basic income' for no reason whatsoever just because they graced us with their presence on this planet.

A person's worth is in what the person does, a person that lives off of others is not worth anything, he or she is a net drain on the system, not a net benefit. Thinking that a significant number of people with that mentality will amount to anything at all if they are not prodded by the cold reality of having to survive on this planet but believing they are owed something by others, who have something, that doesn't make creative and entrepreneurial people at all, but it will create a class of people for who it will never be enough. They will believe that if they procreate and create more mouths to feed for the system now, that the system has to expand its own production for their sake and feed them all and probably do even more than just feed them, because 'dignity'.

Dignity does NOT come from forced coercive threat of violence and income redistribution based on that violence. We have conclusively proven that in the former USSR (and North Korea and more).

Individuals need to stop cooperating with the oppressive collectivist (socialist/fascist) governments. The oppressive collectivist governments derive their power from our cooperation and we must stop this and we have the power to do it. We must violate every oppressive collectivist rule and law, they send their goons to kidnap us and 'judge' us, we must not cooperate. We must not give up without a fight and when they overpower us (they are the collective socialist fascist mob with all the guns and muscle after all), we must not cooperate with their goon 'judges' and goon muscle. They should have to use force for everything, we must not even walk when they tell us to. Of course this is not a recipe for self preservation but for rejection of their authority over us. The only thing they have is guns and muscle, they have to be put into position to show what they really are every step of the way. The so called society has to be shown what it is, to create and maintain this system of oppression of the individual by the group. It has to be made clear to the mob that it is the mob with all its pitchforks and bonfires with individuals used for fuel.Without freedom individual has nothing and nothing else matters. All mob laws are pure expression of violence and they should be forced to display it and live with it or change every step of the way.

Individuals need to stop cooperating with the oppressive collectivist (socialist/fascist) governments. The oppressive collectivist governments derive their power from our cooperation and we must stop this and we have the power to do it. We must violate every oppressive collectivist rule and law, they send their goons to kidnap us and 'judge' us, we must not cooperate. We must not give up without a fight and when they overpower us (they are the collective socialist fascist mob with all the guns and muscle after all), we must not cooperate with their goons 'judges' and goons muscle. They should have to use force for everything, we must not even walk when they tell us to. Of course this is not a recipe for self preservation but for rejection of their authority over us. The only thing they have is guns and muscle, they have to be put into position to show what they really are every step of the way. The so called society has to be shown what it is, to create and maintain this system of oppression of the individual by the group. It has to be made clear to the mob that it is the mob with all its pitchforks and bonfires with individuals used for fuel.

Without freedom individual has nothing and nothing else matters. All mob laws are pure expression of violence and they should be forced to display it and live with it or change every step of the way.

No, it wasn't.

It's just a good benefit for the US which is the point of trade. Plus that "destruction" is renewable.

I already explained this. Why are you still here?

We already have better, present day economic/political systems than anything the Club of Rome can conceive of. Yet again, this line of argument is pointless because it's so far off actual problems of humanity as to be harmful, if we should ever listen to it.

There's a huge class of huge problems that have known solutions, but neither the will or competence to implement them. It's also not a matter of wealth since developed world societies have nailed down a lot of problems despite starting at deeper levels of poverty.

Sure, it is. Government is absolutely shit at figuring out what is good research. One thing we need to remember here is that there used to be a huge, privately funded science powerhouse in the developed world. That got scrapped because it was easier and more profitable to siphon public funds than to do work that had actual risk to it.

Not really. Welcome to the world of perverse incentives. Your bureaucracy goes away, if you actually solve the problem your bureaucracy was set up to solve.

I think this is the actual future your ideas steer us towards. But fortunately, I have another solution. How about we just get out of the way of the people trying to work and the people trying to hire?

Let's give some examples: Nigeria has a population growth rate of 2.3% (which is a doubling time of just over 30 years). India and Indonesia still have population growth rates of 1.3% (doubling time of roughly 55 years). Pakistan has a population growth rate of 1.8% (doubling time of roughly 39 years). These rates are all due to reproduction and include a bit of emigration.

For example, if we blissfully extrapolate Nigeria's current growth rate and population (127 million today) through the next three centuries, a typical Club of Rome exercise, we get almost three orders of magnitude more people, roughly 110-120 billion people. Even if these people somehow consume only a tenth of the resources of the present global population, that's about half again as much resources consumed just by Nigeria than by the entire world today.

Of course not. If the population of the world were a tenth the present amount, these would not be serious problems.

Sure, they do. Food is an export product of the US and the high demand for food globally helps put more pressure on the US's agriculture resources. Less demand means less land put under the plow.

My view is that this is typical environmental Calvinism that ignores overpopulation, the elephant in the room.

People not only had affordable and cheap health care in USA, they had affordable and cheap health insurance. 50 years ago the most commonly sold health insurance plan would only cost $25 per year per family of 4 with a 500USD deductible, covering up to 50,000/year, which was more than enough for 2.5 years of stay in a hospital in a year. So it was catastrophic insurance, which and people paid for most of their expenses out of pocket and it was not a problem whatsoever.

Even before that, around 1920s, 1930s, a family with 2000-3000USD income would spend around 108USD in health care a year, closer to 261USD with hospital stay in a year.

Yes, insurance and health care used to be very cheap in the USA before the fucking piece of shit collectivist, and yes, socialist/fascist government destroyed the free market capitalism.

I got this one too. We'll just build it and regulate it to mitigate the above problems. One wonders why we should care about opinions from people who don't have anything at stake.

Do you even realise that it is not supply of money that is limiting people's wealth, it is supply of production, or do you not realise that? Money is a measure stick, the wealth is not cash, it's what you can produce and savings that are based on real excess production that is exchanged for other goods/services/investments/savings.

You can't use 'technology of money creation' to do anything except to create inflation (expansion of the money supply) thus reducing the relative value of money and destroying its worth.

It's like you have 1 ton of steel that you mined. You can use 1 dollar to measure its worth or you can use 1 Trillion dollars to measure its worth, that number is irrelevant to how much steel you have.

Providing the entitlement of the so called 'basic income' creates a situation where the currently idle population simply procreates to consume all of the resources allocated to them for free. So as an example the idle population of 1,000,000 becomes population of 1,000,000,000 and where the 'basic income' was enough to sustain 1,000,000 comfortably the new 1,000,000,000 are so poor on it, they are now demanding the entitlement to be increased proportionately to their numbers.

Well, so where does that extra excess productive capacity come from to feed the new 99,000,000? Well, the 1,000,000 would have had to WORK to create enough WEALTH to sustain the new 99,000,000 (who also would have to work).

Providing the so called 'basic income' is a recipe for greater and greater, bigger and bigger more and more massive levels of poverty among larger and larger idle population.

There are plenty of jobs that need to be done that cannot be done today because people are doing all kinds of other nonsense (including nothing, for those sitting on welfare), we need to build more shit, we need underwater cities, greenhouses, underground cities, space cities and space farms, space mining, robot training, biogenetic programming, who knows what else.

This is pure crapola, it doesn't matter, but if we could eliminate 99.9% of jobs tomorrow so that those jobs could be done by machines cheaply, quickly and ubiquitously and we would have new jobs created but of-course with that kind of disruption we have to disrupt the political system. Out of the 99.9% of jobs, 99.9% of politicians and other government officials also need to lose their jobs so that the free individuals not encumbered by rules and laws and taxes can start thinking of satisfying all of the untapped desires that people have that are not even close to being satisfied.

Until nobody else wants to own a yacht, a green house for their own vegetables and fruits and whatever artificial meat you want and your own private space station there will not be unemployment unless it is created by government. Unemployment is created by government rules, laws, taxes, nothing else. Absent rules, laws and taxes designed to stand in your way, when you are trying to build a new business, all you are limited by is your imagination.

- no. Stupid people need to be insulted, there is no other way around it, they have to be told how fucking stupid they are. Health care was extremely affordable and cheap in the USA before the socialism/fascism fucked up the country. In fact people came to the USA for best and cheapest care before the government got its dirty murderous hands on it.

Free markets are the only real economic driver and health care is just as much about economy as any other good or service, you can't have health care if there is no wealth generated and wealth is only generated by individual entrepreneurship and collectivism is the antithesis to the individual freedoms required for individuals to be entrepreneurial. USA today has NOTHING TO DO with free markets, it's a corrupt socialist/fascist state without any free market, a collectivised nightmare.

OMFG, you are just so dumb, I did not say America HAS a cheap medical system, I said that America BUILT a cheap and accessible system when it still WAS A FREE MARKET CAPITALIST COUNTRY back in the 19th century and that the socialism/fascism of the last 100 years DESTROYED that. The rest of your argument falls right on its stupid face because you can't read apparently.

By the way, you may be confused on what 'cooperative' is. Cooperation cannot be achieved by threat of violence, that's called coercion, you see language is important, words have meanings and I do not cooperate under the barrel of a gun but I may be forced into slavery under it and unless you are making the argument that slaves 'cooperated' with their masters then you can't use that word to describe what the collective does.

There is no market failure, market is a combined desire of individual participants. There is market manipulation by governments. Governments that stand in the way of companies trying to bring products to markets.

IF there is such a huge need for antibiotics people should be able to make money by satisfying that need and if that means that a large amount of money first has to be gambled with, it's possible to achieve even that by raising that money in the free market the way kickstarter does it.

Of-course there is no free market in drugs, government is all over it, so don't talk about 'market failure'. There are perfectly valid FREE MARKET solutions to it, but the government PREVENTS free market from existing in the drug industry. You could start a company tomorrow and try and create new antibiotics if government wasn't standing in your way and all you would have to do is start a money raising campaign for that purpose. Try it, see how fast the government stops you from doing whatever it is you think needs to be done here.

But instead you want the slave owner State system to steal money from people to run your pet project and you want most of that money to be stolen from people who have more of it than you do, thus 'progressive income tax' and such.