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Comment Re:Contract: No! (Score 1) 353

It is not even possible transfer copyright by a clause in your consulting contract.

I was willing to sell the copyright in some cases, but would charge a far greater amount if you wanted to buy the copyright from me. Even buying a license for source code would increase that bill by at least 3x.

Usually it would be cheaper to hire someone if you need the copyright. It would be a little bit strange (and terrifically expensive) to use consultants for that.

Comment Re:Contract: No! (Score 1) 353

I made a pretty good living for about a decade doing almost exactly that (although mostly those were not web sites.)

I would get paid to write all of the software to run their business, then go around to their competitors and sell it to as many of them as I could. I determined pricing partially by how many people I thought I could sell it to.

For an example that is not programming, look at the articles that get reprinted on Wired, Ars, and a bunch of other sites. This happens because the author owns the work. While Wired may pay someone to write it, the author is absolutely within their rights to then go shop it around to other sites.

If somebody pays you to as an independent contractor to write a book or produce a painting you own it. The person paying only gets a copy of the work, not the copyright.

Comment Re: Contract: No! (Score 1) 353

If you are one of those cheap shops who illegally classifies employees as contractors to save a few bucks, externalize costs, and avoid employee protections you may want to reconsider that.

It is not zero risk for the contractor.

If they get hurt there is no workers comp, if you fail to pay there is no wages commission (they need to sue you on their own dime), they do not get sick days or vacation, limitations on hours worked, overtime, they pay the self employment tax, provide their own equipment, and generally do not get any of the benefits an employee would get.

The other side of that is that they own their work, and you must generally negotiate with them as if they are another corporation. The fact that most contractors are not aware of this may save you, or it may be that you just have not irritated them yet, and they will come back later to own your product and collect damages for your violation of their copyright.

Comment Re: Contract: No! (Score 2) 353

The author is the copyright holder unless it was an employee (which in the vast majority of cases comes down to if they are paid on a W-2 or not.) Under very limited circumstances which are explicitly enumerated in law, rarely apply to programmers, and which require written acknowledgement, it can sometimes apply to contractors.

Usually even if there is a contract stating that the commissioner owns it they do not, and the contractor is still the copyright holder. You must specifically transfer the copyright in question to change ownership (a line in a general contract will not do this.)

You do not need to take my word for it though, I linked you a clear and concise explanation by the copyright office (http://copyright.gov/circs/circ09.pdf)

There is also the actual law: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/101

And a supreme court decision from 1989: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_for_Creative_Non-Violence_v._Reid

You can stare at that in disbelief all you want, but it does not change the facts.

Comment Re:Contract: No! (Score 2) 353

What a strange point of view you have. Incorporating does a few things for you:

1) It prevents you from being personally liable if you get sued (although there are some additional limitations on this if you are a sole proprietor which do not affect corporations with multiple owners, and if you do something illegal they may be able to pierce the veil and go after your personal assets anyway.)

2) If someone tries to claim work for hire, the judge will dismiss the case immediately (it never applies between two corporations.)

3) Formerly, it meant clients did not need to send you a 1099 (although I believe this has changed.)

4) It cuts down on those asking you to sign an employment contract as part of your consulting work, as it is obviously inappropriate (needing to tell clients no less frequently is good.)

5) It allows you obtain an EIN and hire others.

6) A bunch of other minor things I am not going to bother listing.

Comment Re:Contract: No! (Score 4, Informative) 353

You can claim the law is BS all you want, but it would be inadvisable to take that position in court.

If it is an employee paid on a W2 who shows up at the office every day and has their tasks and schedule set by the employer, the employer owns the copyright.

If it is a contractor paid on a 1099 who uses their own equipment at their own location, the contractor owns the copyright (even if there is a clause in their contract stating otherwise.)

If it is somewhere in between a court would decide if they are an employee or an independent contractor.

http://copyright.gov/circs/circ09.pdf

Comment Re: Contract: No! (Score 2) 353

You can believe that all you want, but unless an employee wrote the code or you have a correct copyright assignment you would almost certainly lose in court.

A correct copyright assignment is not as simple as having a clause in the contract specifying who owns the code, even many lawyers do it incorrectly.

Comment Re:Contract: No! (Score 4, Insightful) 353

I linked the actual rules in a reply to my post.

The way I dealt with this as a consultant was to incorporate my consulting company. That pretty much shuts down any argument over work for hire before it begins. I still occasionally had someone contest it and lawyer up, but they always backed down pretty quickly as there was zero chance of them winning a suit.

I suppose you could try to do it contract by contract, but not only is that annoying for small contracts, it is also still open to debate as transferring copyright is not as simple as having a line in your contract.

Comment Re:Contract: No! (Score 1) 353

I have 15 mod points to burn (as usual) but nobody else posted a real reference and few people seem to understand how this works... so I thought clarifying it was more important.

I do not really need the karma, but bumping it would probably stop some incorrect speculation based on how people feel it should work.

I was a consultant for a long time, and am now on the other side. I am not a lawyer, but it is my job to understand this, as in addition to anything technical, legal also reports to the CTO.

Comment Re:Money for nothing, chicks for free.... (Score 3, Insightful) 353

I would not fire him over asking... I probably would negotiate a lower salary if he wants to own his code, and I would say no if it was a core part of the business (he says they are add-ins, so maybe.)

If it is not a software company they may have no intention of selling it, and may see it as a good thing to be able to cut their costs by more than half and still get the benefits.

Comment Re:Get it in writing (Score 1) 353

It is even more in favor of consultants than that. You need a contract stating it is a work for hire AND to fall under the specifically enumerated list of scenarios which qualify.

Just the contract is not enough, and the consultant will still be found to own the code if it goes to court.

The real way to legally transfer copyright is to sell it to the client after the fact.

Comment Re:Contract: No! (Score 5, Insightful) 353

Anyway, as there are a couple of people contesting this already I though I would link the actual rules on copyright and work for hire.

http://copyright.gov/circs/circ09.pdf

Note that falling under (b) requires that it pass that test AND there be a contract stating so. The tests in (b) have also been found to be exhaustive, so it MUST fall under one of those scenarios.

This means that even in many cases where there is a contract stating that the party paying for the consulting time owns it, in reality the consultant still owns the code. The only common one where code is not owned by the consultant is when the work will become part of another existing work.

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