1) The word 'Psychopath' is no longer the official name of the disorder you seem to be thinking about. I think the disorder you are thinking of is 'Antisocial Personality Disorder', Some psychologists argue that Psychopathy and Antisocial Personality Disorder are in fact two distinct disorders, but unless you have the expertise to take part in the debate
You didn't finish your sentence, but I'll go ahead and assume you meant to imply that not having a certificate in a given field means that I am not allowed to think or speak about a subject. That's bullshit. If you disagree with me, go for it, but I'm afraid pulling the idiotic, "Are you a doctor?" argument isn't going to work here. Are you a mathematician? No? Then you're not allowed to discuss math. Are you an astrophysicist? No? Then you're not allowed to discuss the solar system. This is a PUBLIC discussion forum, not a court of law.
In any case, the term "Psychopath" "sociopath" "Narcissist" are indeed labels which have numerous definitions depending on who you read. I'm only talking about those who were born incapable of experiencing compassion. Those who CHOOSE to suppress emotion are a whole other ball of wax, and I feel comfortable leaving them in the purview of the legal system. (Though, I'd feel a lot better if we purged the legal system of psychopaths first.)
2) Personality tests don't detect disorders. Diagnostic tests do. Personality tests analyze personality, not mental health.
Disorders are not visible on brain scans either, unless they result from damage to the brain. In which case a brain scan would only tell you that there is damage which could cause a disorder but won't tell you what the disorder is exactly.
You're both wrong and you're splitting hairs at the same time. I would recommend a battery of "Diagnostic" (See? I used your word. Happy?) personality tests which look for warning flags, followed up with imaging scans which would determine whether or not the frontal lobe is active in a given subject.
3) No test is accurate enough to be used to "identify and put down" people. The tests are accurate, but there is a bit of room for a false-positive.
I agree. It's a huge hair ball of a challenge and one which is not best serviced by error-capable humans. But it is necessary. We identify child molesters and track them, we don't let them become teachers, etc. The issue here is that we are talking about a non-treatable genetic condition resulting in shrewd calculating biological machines with no community value, who by default, are highly destructive. AND we can start tracking from the moment of detection. We should make such tests mandatory for high public offices and law-enforcement professionals. (At which point, who cares about the label you choose? If there the person is only wearing the mask of sanity, they should be prevented from entering any office, period.) Further, if we prevented these types of biologicals from infesting our community systems, (including the medical and medical insurance fields), then I suspect misuse of these kinds of regulatory powers would be nowhere the problem it is today.
4) Killing people suffering from mental disorders is unethical. These people are not murderers, the disorder they suffer from (and never asked to have) is making them harm others.
Of course it's unethical. But I'm not talking about killing people. If you are a calculating shark in human form with no possibility of understanding ethics, let alone compassion, then you are not a person. You are a dangerous animal which should be treated as such. Extending compassion to biological Turing machines (which would kill you if they got the chance to do it and get away with it) is foolhardy. But I DO understand the difficulties you are expressing, and those difficulties are exactly why the psychopath has been able to flourish and destroy our world. We are fooled into having compassion for them, over and over. What I am suggesting is that we inject clinical reason into the equation. This can absolutely be done without sacrificing our human qualities. Through education and study, we can learn to understand the problem and solve it. If we don't, we continue to suffer.
5) It is suspected that many people who support things such as the death penalty or who simply seek legal or moral justification to do harm to others actually suffer from Antisocial Personality Disorder themselves. One aspect of the disorder is that patients either lack empathy or they try to justify the harm they do in order to avoid legal consequences or to prevent feelings of guilt.
Yup. This is absolutely true. Which is why people involved in the process would have to be among the very first to undergo a battery of tests. This problem is not beyond our ability to understand and solve.
6) And then one has to love how you diagnose people.
"The psychopath always blames the victim of the very crimes committed against them."
You make a diagnosis based on an article? Seriously?
No. If you knew the subject, you would recognize that this particular behavior trait is well-recognized among those who study and write about the condition. I'd urge you to do some reading on the subject. Hare and Cleckley are two good starting points.
"In the case of Bush and Cheney, they blamed the Iraqis and Afghans while merrily singing "Bomb, Bomb, Bomb. . , Bomb, Bomb Iran." The lies are huge and ridiculous and the crimes are sickening, and because the rest of us are programmed to be human, we go along with it.Seriously?"
Yes, seriously. And by the way, a point is not invalidated simple by repeating a claim with your eyebrow raised. You write well enough to know better than that, I think.
You also diagnose politicians without testing or interviewing them (and probably without any psychology degree)?
You must agree that diagnostics are best performed when there is a large amount of sample data to work with, right? After 8 years in office, the sample of publicly available observed behavioral data for Bush and Cheney is absolutely enormous. And no, I am not a psychologist, but I am smart and informed, and I am wise enough to consider the opinions of those who DO hold such training and who have made exactly the determinations I am reporting here. Again, it sounds like you could benefit from researching the subject.
You are either the Einstein of clinical psychology or really ignorant of psychology. I assume it's the second option, which is why you should not advocate for things as drastic as executing mentally ill people.
You're right. Executing mentally ill people is wrong. But Psychopaths are not ill. They are functioning perfectly according to their nature. I'm advocating controlling a predator population, like wolves or coyotes. Just because they look human, doesn't mean they are. Don't be fooled; that's exactly how they work, by exploiting the assumption that real humans make about them. This isn't make-believe. This is a real situation and it has been studied extensively. It is now time to use that knowledge. We need to test our politicians and power brokers. If you don't want to kill them, then fine. But maybe it would be a good idea at the very least to prevent them from crashing the economy, starting wars for profit, and filling the Gulf with oil and toxins and ignoring/harassing those who are dying as a result?
If you want to have your opinions, fine, but at least don't speak like you know anything of psychology because it's obvious you don't.
I'll go away when people like you wake up and start taking the problem seriously. Start by learning about the subject you are reacting against. You'll find it helps. Knowledge does that.
-FL