Disable all services possible so systemd doesn't try to do anything with them. In my case, that means basically everything, including the graphical desktop. In rc.local, add in your own service start calls in the approved order from an old Fedora or CentOS version. Generally, even if you use the service blah start command which does the same calls to systemd core functions that the whole systemd launch should be doing on its own, rather than coding the commands directly, I've found that systemd functions start much better from rc.local than whatever zombified magic it tries to do based on its own dependency tree.

Maybe it doesn't matter so much if you're able to use network manager, or are not starting any outside facing services. If you have a complicated network and are still using the network service because NM hasn't been completed yet, then it is really easy to get into loops as it tries to start things that depend on network when it isn't really there yet.

Yes, these are dependency bugs that should be fixed. If I had time, I'd file some bug reports. But most of my bug reports languish till the Fedora release expires and they can expunge them with won't fix, and pessimist that I am, I assume this will be particularly true with the mess that is systemd. Really, they should just be able to enable all available services on their own and see if the system boots. It shouldn't take any of our time writing bug reports at all. Sure they might have to repeat the tests with each different mail server, web server, and the like, but the fix should be about the same for each.

Just doing the ordering basically myself using old standard Linux order for the services that I need to run gets my boots to be reliable and drops the boot times down by minutes (as most things expire after 5 minutes if there is no network otherwise).

Works in firefox, doesn't work in chrome. YMMV

The Bible records ~6,000 years of history from Adam on. The Bible does not declare that the Earth is ~6,000 years old.

Supervisory control and data acquisition.

The air-gapped computer isn't "plugged with epoxy" The data acquisition part can come from many sources, but usually an internal network on the side being monitored - either the normal private network you think of today via copper or fiber with private IP space, or another telemetry data link (cell phone, radio and repeaters or the like used as the transport mechanism). In some cases it directly feeds into cards on the back plane of the computer doing the SCADA operation but this isn't seen as often anymore.

Regardless, the number of computers that are truly air-gapped from the real world is growing smaller by the day because corporate doesn't want that. The whole "just in time" philosophy also applies to SCADA systems. The want their production figures, product on hand, supply levels, maintenance reports and all fed back to the corporate mainframes ASAP so they can do a better job of pricing and hedging and increase the profit margin by .001%.

There are also fewer small operators. Too many companies have been bought out by the big boys who have experts, but not enough experts to be everywhere at once. So SCADA is used to bring the data to the experts so they can maximize the production of every place.

While they wouldn't hire every expert available as that would decrease their profit, they would hire more if they could. But the reality is that there are a lot of experts who are retiring and there aren't enough new graduates in the required fields to make up for the drop. So the analysis gets centralized or outsourced or both. The same SCADA plant that used to present the data to local experts years ago, may now be sending the data around the world to where the experts (and cheaper experts at that) now live.

It's going to be nasty when it all comes crashing down.

I suspect that there will be many who have been disillusioned by religion who end up in heaven, and many strict adherents of organized religion who will be wondering what happened when Christ makes His next appearance in the clouds.

I'm sorry you had a bad experience. I have certainly had some good and some bad experiences myself over the many years, but I have chosen to stick with a body of believers for support and friendship and try to work wherever I can to make our particular local spot better - that's all I can really affect. There is strength in numbers, both for prayer and emotional support. I'd ask you pray about whether God wishes you to seek out a group and if so which one. He'll lead you to one that is right for you.

Your last sentence was spot on. Peace!

If you read the Bible, the Old Testament and Gospels are full of historical reports of events where a different than normally expected outcome occurred because of the existence of God. Either God, or angels at the direction of God intervened in particular situations and altered the outcomes of wars, exacted judgment on those who chose to worship idols (either the Israeli or foreign people), raised people from the dead, healed people, broke people out of prison, warned people to leave certain places because of impending doom,.... the list is extremely long. The events are recorded by those who were present.

The problem is, none of these events are repeatable - so you choose to dismiss them all without a thought. While they may not meet a scientific standard that all slashdotter's are so fond of, the repeated interventions, taken as a whole, do point to an existing God.

So the next argument is that the whole Bible is just made up. Yet I can point to miracles and healing going on today. They are also not repeatable, but if you dismiss them because of that, you are being willfully ignorant of evidence that does point to the God described in the Bible.

Our church runs a food pantry. The cold storage is locked. We purchased a fixed number of hams to give out last year over the holidays. With no more purchases, and locked cold storage, we gave out by count a greater number of hams than were purchased. When the locked fridge was checked the next morning after having no hams in it when the distribution day was done, there were more hams inside. Not repeatable, and you'll decry that someone is just playing games, and I can't change that, but it did happen.

My wife was seen by doctors and was referred to a specialist to pick which of two problems the doctor thought she had. The problem was visible, degenerative, and neither was something there was a treatment for - they would just manage it differently depending on what the specialist said. Before going to the specialist, we went up and a lay person prayed for her. She came back immediately fine and has been fine for several years since. Again - not repeatable so you won't like it, but it did happen, just as the Bible promised.

God doesn't do everything we ask. Sometimes He does things that are good that we don't ask Him for. But we do observe outcomes that are not possible outside of a God working in the universe. Today. In the present.

The two I mentioned happened to people I personally know. I suspect that miracles and healings are happening in churches all over the world from time to time. The thing is, most Christians figure everybody has the Bible and if they refuse to believe what it says, why stick our necks out and get beat up verbally or in words for our own experiences. Or maybe we've tried a few times and decided what's the point.

For the record, I'm a literal Bible sort of guy. I just read it a bit more carefully than most and read the seven day description as a restoration to a habitable state after Lucifer's downfall rather than the original creation that is recorded in Gen 1:1. It works better with all the commands to replenish the earth, the different Hebrew words used for create and make, and many other things. It also handles the Greek New Testament social order references where an old social order is said to be overthrown and another new one put into being relating to Adam and Eve in the Gospels.. The reference to the social order in 2 Pet 3 perishing also makes sense if you believe in a pre-Adamite world ruled by Lucifer as the social order didn't cease in Noah's flood.

That leaves room for the possibility of evolution going on between Gen 1:1 and the time of the judgment of Lucifer - God just started over in all or part of the world after that judgment and that is what is described in the remainder of Gen. 1 after the "toho va bohu" moment in Gen. 1:2. The restoration could have been quick - affecting only one planet. Whether evolution occurred or not, or whether it was just God having fun trying new beasties is really not relevant to the Bible or the belief system of Christians. The creation story is a very, very small token piece of the Bible. While it is useful to understand, it won't affect your salvation one way or another.

Unfortunately, the new pope isn't the gatekeeper. I seem to remember something from Matthew about "Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it."

Glad I didn't just sell a car for bitcoins

Its all a conspiracy / major government lobbying effort by the plastic garbage trash can liner people and the cloth bag manufacturers to increase their sales.

I personally hate most of the plastic liner bags my wife buys. They tend to rip much more easily than the plastic shopping bags and they frequently don't have the handy handles to tie them up with. I try to reuse the plastic bags from grocery shopping whenever I can. Anytime you can do double duty with one product its a win in my book.

I hate to break it to you, but payments in stock really don't work either.

Most such payments are structured so that they get their stock options based on some performance measure. The problem is that the performance measure is continually tweaked so eventually they get their options. They either select different thresholds due to "economic" problems or adjust the mix of companies they compare themselves to so they look better. Unless you force the companies named officers to hold the stock they are paid in for a long time, there is a built in failure mode as they can just sell their stock. And, whether we like it or not, disallowing people to spend their paycheck as they see fit and when they want to - even if it is obscenely large - is just wrong.

I'd much prefer them to get paid only in dollars - no benefits of any sort that every employee in the company isn't also entitled to, no stock options, nothing except pure hard cash. Then apply the ratios. Let the employees see just how bad it is.

If you really want to change things, then start buying company stock directly and vote the proxies you get. Don't invest in mutual funds. Almost all of company proxies have approval options for the stock incentive plans and pay of named executives now. If there is a problem with how a particular company is run, vote against the plans, the pay, and any director who seems to be a problem. Until enough individual investors start picking their own stocks again, it is an uphill battle, but there are votes you can make as a stock investor that are sometimes enough to get noticed and get things changed at companies.

Yearly trip to the dentist - or so. Yearly trip to the eye doctor - or so. Even without being sick, 1 or 2 would seem reasonable. And of course, there's always the vet.

Thanks for this reply.

I'm sorry that you have had bad experiences with religions. For what it is worth, I have seen good pastors and less good pastors in my lifetime in mostly smaller towns but no bad pastors. Even the pastors I didn't feel were doing a very good job though were not getting rich in their job and I wouldn't trade places with them.

The ones I have known would an did go to the hospital at any hour of the day or night to meet with someone in their congregation (or for those who volunteered as a chaplain for the police or fire departments for anyone the officials called them about - car crashes, deaths, et cetera). They would help people move or clean up after problems (whether illness or flood or plumbing or whatever) for no additional compensation.

Their families frequently saw as little of them as those families of CEOs do today - leading to all the same stresses with nobody to turn to. For every "huckster" you have seen, there are a couple of orders of magnitude greater just serving and pressing on. You just rarely hear about them.

The thing is, I go to church for fellowship and to hear what God is speaking to His people about today. I wouldn't have to do that to hear what He is telling me today, but it is good to hear what He is speaking to the body today as well. I would miss that if I just tuned out all religion because of a few bad apples that are out there. There is a place He wants you to be - I am certain of this. Listen closely to your "conscience" tonight, peruse the yellow pages, and try again. If you go looking for a perfect man - be it pastor, priest, or other - you will always be disappointed because they are just as human as you or I. But most, I suspect, are actually better than politicians at least! If you go seeking to get closer to God and bring His presence with you, you will have a better experience.

The Bible is all the things you mentioned. The only change I would make to what you said is that the big sin rules between the New and Old Testaments were really only reduced by keeping the sabbath day holy because Jesus was disgusted with what the religious leaders were expecting of their people while rejecting Him (The problems you complain about today aren't new). All the other laws - if you read His sermon on the mount - now have teeth behind them in the New Testament -- You have heard it said ..., but I say unto you ... where what Jesus said was a higher standard than the Old Testament.

It is tough to carry on without a support system. It isn't impossible, but it is difficult. A good church can be a good support system. It isn't as good as the Holy Spirit, but it is good. Try to find one that works for you. Make sure it is based on the Bible. Good luck.

I'm pretty sure that if you read Revelation you will discover that the God of the Old Testament is exactly the same as the God of the New Testament. He is still just as holy and just as ready to judge those who do not accept Him, as He was in the Old Testament.

The Christian means to His grace has now been established, but that was prophesied from Adam's fall through the Old Testament. The entire Old Testament sacrificial system was a type of Christ's sacrifice on the cross. So I would counter that there was no change between the Testaments - just a completion and replacement of the covenant between God and man for the path to salvation.

What Christians believe, what the world says Christians believe, and what the Bible says are different things at times.

We have a fallen nature. This can be observed outside of Christianity. Ask any very little child which you know has done something wrong who did that thing and their nature is to try to avoid telling the truth or to lie or to blame others.

The Bible says in Rev. 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. Also see Ps. 69:27-28.

To me, this says that the names are all written there initially. This is consistent with the Christian view that until an age that a child knows right from wrong that child would go to heaven when it dies. At some point though, every child must make a conscious choice to do right or wrong - to commit sin or not.

God's Holy Spirit - the conscience in colloquial terms - tells the right path. If the child ignores the prompting of the Holy Spirit and sins, their name is blotted out. I'm not sure where God's grace draws that line for when that happens - where the failure to overcome is. I only know that the Bible says at some point God will blot out that name due to failure to overcome sin. If a person doesn't develop an ability to mentally process right/wrong due to disorders of the mind, I believe God's grace extends longer.

God's grace can be reacquired by accepting Christ as Savior. The sin is still there but the person has been justified by the sacrifice that Jesus made. He is made "just as if" he or she had never sinned in the first place. People can and do turn their backs on this salvation either before accepting it in the first place or at some point afterward. Again, at some point the name can again be blotted out if they forsake this great salvation.

Romans makes clear that God will judge those who have never heard of Christ according to how they have responded to the Holy Spirit's promptings in their hearts when presented with the choice to do right or wrong. Those who have heard of Christ and have rejected Him have no such out. Once you've heard of Christ and decided He isn't for you - you face God's judgment fully upon death with no second chances.

I don't know if that helps, but God is just about as fair and generous as He can be. And among all religions I know of, Christianity is the only one where a member of the Godhead Himself sacrificed first His heavenly station, and then His life for His creation. Due to God's own sacrifice on the cross, His standards and expectations are justifiably higher.